European Union regulators are concerned that Microsoft may be covertly controlling OpenAI as its biggest investor.

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    10 months ago

    … you mean like how most investments operate in the US? No news here, just another example of how the FTC and FCC are a joke and another example of how the govt fails to properly protect its people from bullshit, fraud, and control by corps.

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    Wait, do you mean that the majority stakeholder in a company would try to control it? Pickachu face

    Yes, i am aware that the actual problem is that it is being done covertly and that the manoeuvring might have been to take control of the Non Profit

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      They’re not a majority stakeholder. They invested $13b and a lot of that wasn’t cash, it was just credits to use Azure.

      That’s more money than anyone else has invested so far, but it’s only about 2 weeks revenue for Microsoft and not even close to enough to fund OpenAI.

      Wether or not they’re a non profit? I dunno. OpenAI’s structure is pretty unusual.

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        As I understand, OpenAI’s structure is similar to Mozilla’s, so a non-profit steers a for-profit.

        But there’s the massive difference that OpenAI’s for-profit takes on outside investors. That is where Microsoft has invested.
        As such, control over the for-profit really isn’t in the hands of the non-profit, because obviously, they have to satisfy whoever gives them money.

        In particular, it also means that unlike in Mozilla’s structure, where the for-profit is ‘neutered’ in that it can’t pay out profits to anyone, this really isn’t the case for OpenAI.

        So, all in all, I really don’t feel like the non-profit part of OpenAI has any real relevance.

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        A year later, Microsoft revealed it’d built an Azure-hosted, OpenAI-co-designed supercomputer that at the time was among the most powerful machines in the world.

        I don’t think you can co-create a supercomputer with a company and not be deeply involved with them. Combine that with the inherent power Microsoft has because of their money, and I think it’s pretty easy to see how they could exercise control indirectly.

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    10 months ago

    Microsoft sneakilu trying to achieve dominant market position and go for monopoly ? That can’t be right /s

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      10 months ago

      I hate Google too, but why not leave that to a relevant post?

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        10 months ago

        It’s about the EU regulators. It’s notable that they don’t seem to have any concerns about Google, despite Google being exponentially worse.

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            Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

            Since 2010, the European Union has investigated several antitrust complaints against Google alleging abuses of its dominant position in breach of the EU's competition laws. Three complaints have resulted in formal charges against Google: those relating to Google Shopping, the Android operating system and to Google AdSense. Google has been found guilty of antitrust breaches in the three cases and has been fined over €8 billion. In 2020, the European Union has also launched a full investigation of Google's proposed acquisition of the fitness tracker and wearable health company Fitbit, under the EU Merger Regulation. The operation was eventually cleared on 17 December 2020 subject to conditions.

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          10 months ago

          You know EU regulators can do multiple things at once and that investigations take time and tend to be secret until they are ready to act.

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              EU regulators aren’t politicians, they’re bureaucrats. The anti-trust office in particular is special because it’s practically the oldest EU institution, getting their start in the ECSC as regulators of a trade cartel, brutally cracking down on internal collusion both because presence of such practices weakens the whole and to make sure that national cartels are broken up, the very founding idea of the ECSC was to intertwine coal and steel industries so that internal war would become impossible because no individual nation actually had control over that sector.

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    Do we know that MS were the ones behind the ceo firing and used the employees anger to fire the board and place their own puppets?

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      Um, what? No. We know the board were behind the CEO firing, and MS was part of cleaning up the mess the board created.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The EC’s executive vice president in charge of competition policy, Margrethe Vestager, said in the announcement that rapidly advancing AI technologies are “disruptive” and have “great potential,” but to protect EU markets, a forward-looking analysis scrutinizing antitrust risks has become necessary.

    Regulators are particularly keen to hear from policy experts, academics, and industry and consumer organizations who can identify “potential competition issues” stemming from tech companies partnering to develop generative AI and virtual world/metaverse systems.

    The EC worries that partnerships like Microsoft and OpenAI could “result in entrenched market positions and potential harmful competition behavior that is difficult to address afterwards.”

    Beyond the EU, the UK’s Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) and reportedly the US Federal Trade Commission have also launched investigations into Microsoft’s OpenAI investments.

    Antitrust legal experts told Reuters that authorities should act quickly to prevent “critical emerging technology” like generative AI from being “monopolized,” noting that before launching a probe, the CMA will need to find evidence showing that Microsoft’s influence over OpenAI materially changed after Altman’s reappointment.

    On Tuesday, a nonprofit consumer rights group, the Public Citizen, called for California Attorney General Robert Bonta to “investigate whether OpenAI should retain its non-profit status.”


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