Updated template. Had no idea on who the knucklehead from the original template was.

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    9 months ago

    Whenever anyone brings this up, I imagine a vegan sitting at a table with their new friends, refusing to eat any chicken wings, but also not saying why… And then everyone harassing them with a million questions like, “do you not like hot sauce? We can get barbecue”, “are you on a diet?”, “are you allergic?”, etc, etc. Finally, after half an hour of this, they lose it and just as there’s a lull in the music, they scream out, “look, I’m a vegan! I don’t fucking eat meat! Fuck off!”

    The whole bar goes quiet, staring, then one of the people at the table reaches for a wing, looks at the vegan, and says, “dude, chill, we get it, you don’t eat meat, blah blah blah. You don’t have to talk about it every 5 minutes! Here’s some bread and butter.”

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      9 months ago

      I have to say, I am yet to encounter a cliche vegan.

      Not a single vegan I’ve ever met brought up the topic, unless there was a reason for it. Like the scenario you described.

      But I’ve met a whole lot of bros who made fun of vegans for existing and being annoying.

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        9 months ago

        I’ve ran into a few online, but even that’s rare. Agreed that people ranting against this stereotype are far more common than the actual stereotype.

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        That’s why vegan != arch user. If you are vegan, you can not avoid the topic. Arch user could avoid the topic.

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          Uhhh… I mean no. I think the equivalency is both groups love to talk about something that Makes them feel superior- but actually just annoys everyone around them

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            9 months ago

            Still never met a vegan who loves to talk about their dietary choices. Have met a bunch of omnivores who love to harass vegetarians and vegans once they find out someone eats differently than they do.

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      9 months ago

      Every vegan that irritated me constantly brought it up…the folks who just did their thing got me curious as to why and educated me on some delicious food despite me not being vegan/vegetarian.

      I will say I think Indian food is the best vegetarian food to the point that it’s just good, you’re not even worried about meat.

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      Yep, I don’t eat meat and I don’t recall the last time I actually told someone that unprompted in real life. More likely it’s one of my friends or family that says it for me, like I can’t eat around the bacon that the chef accidentally put on my plate

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      9 months ago

      This is bullshit. Your imagination is perpetuating the myth of the vast majority of people caring about an individual’s dietary preferences. I have never once been accosted by or have accosted vegans on their dietary preference. Maybe, perhaps, in a sarcastic jest.

      The dietary preference wars are just like the gender and the other culture wars: psy-op proxies for the only war that’s ever mattered - the class war.

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        I have never once been accosted by or have accosted vegans on their dietary preference

        Congratulations, I wasn’t talking about you specifically because I don’t know you specifically.

        Your imagination is perpetuating the myth of the vast majority of people caring about an individual’s dietary preferences.

        No, I’m reversing the myth OP was perpetuating that vegans talk about being vegans constantly. There is no myth that “the vast majority of people care about an individual’s dietary preferences.” I’m using hyperbole to demonstrate what would happen if in a hypothetical situation where a vegan didn’t mention that they were vegan to explain why they weren’t eating meat. The hyperbole comes from the non-vegans not understanding why someone would not eat meat, forcing the vegan to announce themselves. Suddenly, the vegan, despite all their efforts not to, has perpetuated the myth that vegans constantly talk about vegans. In the hyperbolic situation - being used to demonstrate the inanity of the vegans-always-talk-about-being-vegans myth - the non-vegans represent people who perpetrate that myth.

        Thankfully, that’s not you. Sorry if you felt attacked.

    • fishos@lemmy.world
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      Kinda proving the point tho. The joke was more on Arch users and everyone in here is writing paragraphs defending Gluten Free/Vegan. But, like the meme is pointing out, you just gotta talk about it! 😂

      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
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        “Haha vegans never stop talking about themselves!”

        Hey can you stop making fun of us?

        “Haha look at this, yet another vegan who can’t shut up!”

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          It’s more like “Hey, don’t Arch users totally fit this stereotype?”, but again, look how defensive you get. It’s hilarious that you don’t see the irony. The joke literally starts with “Arch users…”, but you zero in on the vegan part. You didn’t even need to comment. You could’ve just downvoted and moved on.

          I really hope you can appreciate the irony. Humor is good for the soul, buddy.

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              Ever hear a completely accurate and factual joke? They’re boring. Just admit you don’t like the joke and move on. You don’t need to further the very stereotype you hate so much.

              That’s the irony part that you’re just not getting.

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    Man, imagine being stuck not only in a distro-wars mindset, but also thinking vegans are some kind of problem. Not ever has any of my countless vegan friends started to talk about how great being a vegan is. Strangely this phenomenon seems to be limited to social media and I couldn’t care less about that

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      To the contrary. It’s normally non-vegans making a big deal about it when they find out, asking the same questions, and attempting to debate.

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        Exactly. Open any post on the internet even slightly hinting towards veganism (or cute animals for that matter), and you’ll have the insufferable army posting gifs of sizzling bacon, steak being cut, or making jokes about how that one guy’s childhood chicken would make for a perfect chicken nugget.

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    9 months ago

    You do realize that people with celiac disease aren’t just choosing to not eat gluten right?

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      True, but those are not the people the men’s is making fun of. It makes fun of perfectly healthy people who decide they need gluten free everything because they heard that gluten is bad and they can’t do any research on how and why. Same with vegans who are only vegan because it’s trendy (and who probably cheat every other meal because a vegan lifestyle actually requires a fair amount of effort and learning about nutrition).

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        a vegan lifestyle actually requires a fair amount of effort and learning about nutrition

        I was actually surprised by how little effort it really took? Like replace butter with margarine, slave milk with oatmilk and, unless you’re baking, eggs aren’t actually that important.

        The rest is just choosing different meals. Roasted vegetables, fried rice, bulgur, beans etc. instead of steak or sausages or what have you. Get some starchy stuff, some veggy stuff, some proteiny stuff = heathy meal. Most nonvegans live less healthy than that. Then there really is only the B12 debate left, and if you want to err on the safe side just take some supplements. They’re really cheap.

        Sure, it wasn’t 0 effort, but it wasn’t exactly rocket science either. Just kind of look at what you’re eating, throw out the non-vegan stuff and go from there. If you have any qualms about the exploitation of beings with a consciousness, who can feel the pain and suffering when their kids are killed just give it a try.

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          It’s actually not quite as easy, you do have to at least get a rough understanding of what you need and where to get it.

          Especially for women, iron deficiency is a real problem. For some reason, they lose a bunch of iron every month and that needs to be replaced. A lot of women are running low on iron even with “conventional” diets, so dumping all the iron rich animal products can be a problem.

          It’s far from impossible, but you have to educate yourself a bit about your needs.

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            But thats true about nutrition in general. A lot of people have deficiencies without being vegan, this stereotype that veganism is somehow dangerous unless you know what you’re doing is just wrong. People need to be more educated about nutrition in general independently of veganism.

      • owatnext@lemmy.world
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        a vegan lifestyle actually requires a fair amount of effort

        It isn’t that hard in most “well developed” (sorry to use that term) places. Sure, you have to look at some nutrition labels and maybe take a B vitamin, but it isn’t arduous. Took me next to no effort, but going from ~18 years vegetarian to a vegan diet wasn’t hard for me personally.

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      9 months ago

      The people being mocked are the ones who have made “gluten free” trendy and that labelling far less reliable for folks with celiac.

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        On the contrary, since gluten-free food became trendy, there’s been more of it on offer, which is better people with coeliac disease. The problem arises when chefs and cooks start thinking gluten-intolerant people are asking for gluten-free food because it’s trendy, so they decide to just run the risk of poisoning someone because they think they know better. I used to have a chef like this, and he ended up poisoning someone. Massive cunt, he was.

      • Byter@lemmy.one
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        Please inform yourself before diminishing others’ plights.

        Diarrhoea that is characteristic of coeliac disease is chronic, sometimes pale, of large volume, and abnormally foul in odor. Abdominal pain, cramping, bloating with abdominal distension (thought to be the result of fermentative production of bowel gas), and mouth ulcers[35] may be present.

        Coeliac disease leads to an increased risk of both adenocarcinoma and lymphoma of the small bowel

        Long-standing and untreated disease may lead to other complications, such as ulcerative jejunitis (ulcer formation of the small bowel) and stricturing (narrowing as a result of scarring with obstruction of the bowel).

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease

      • Salix@sh.itjust.works
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        Have you ever had gluten free pastry?

        Yes, I’ve had gluten-free pastries before. My friend has Celiac and can’t consume gluten due to possible intestinal damage.

        He has taken me to delicious gluten-free bakeries to get ice cream cookie sandwiches, pumpkin bread, brownies, garlic parmesan bread, quiche, meat handpies, etc

        Just because you had bad ones doesn’t mean they are all bad. Same goes with other food.

        I mean you can choose to power through it. I’d sooner have a windy, achy gut than eat a gluten-free yum yum.

        Well, if you had celiac disease, good luck living with permanent damage to your intestinal villi.

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        9 months ago

        Are you seriously comparing devastating and life threatening diseases and bodily waste to food that thousands of people eat every day without complaint?

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    I’ve met quite a few vegans and far as I know none of them avoid gluten. I also know someone with celiac disease, who would never even contemplate going vegan when he already has so many dietary restrictions to put up with.

    They’re not absolutely mutually exclusive groups, but pretty close to it I think. Slackware users who install everything through Snap are the real gluten-free vegans of the linux world.

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      Hail Seitan! --> many vegans (including myself) swear on pure gluten :D

      And yes, I also know people who also cannot be vegan because of all their dietary restrictions.

      I guess the similarity of arch users and vegans lies in the fact that both groups are very much outside the norm. So you often have to distance yourself from the assumed default (windows/apple computer, omnivore diet). And just talking with other people, it comes up often by itself. If someone asks me to fix their windows PC, I have to tell them that I haven’t really used windows for nearly a decade now. And if someone invites me over or to a restaurant, I have to tell them that I’m vegan. But people who are inside the norm often don’t deal very well with outsiders, so they have to invent tropes like the annoying vegan. What is actually annoying them is their own double standard they have to live with (torturing/killing animals and having a large ecological impact vs wanting to be a good human being).

      But obviously there are also some people who use arch or are vegan and do it to provoke a reaction, to feel special and morally superior.

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    I think FreeBSD users are the literal gluten free vegans of the Linux community. That is if you want to consider them part of the community.

    They don’t use Linux and they don’t use glibc.

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    this isn’t true imo. not because it was never the case, but because nowadays arch is so easy to use it’s a perfectly normal thing to do, “i use arch btw” isn’t a shocking statement

    the gluten free vegans of the computing world are NixOS users

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      Arch is/was elitist for the sake of elitism, NixOS genuinely makes managing my systems less of a headache

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    Op neither likes people decided to not kill animals nor people using community driven distributions.

    You could have used the original meme. The mindset matches

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      “Gluten Free Vegans” at that. OP doesn’t dislike animal rights, they just specifically dislike people with a potentially life-threatening allergy standing up for animal rights.

      Let’s be honest though, they’ve just written both off as “overly restrictive fad diets followed by people who annoy me by talking about their lifestyles”

      OP is the human embodiment of a conservative stand-up comedian, or as Tim Heidecker put it

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    Isn’t this like complaining about what type of toilet paper somebody uses? Who gives a shit?

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      9 months ago

      Those who want to spread the good news about cold water spraying on your dirty rosebud would give a shit. At least they would like to tell you about the life changing bidet.

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        All glory to the bidet!

        Me and my friends converted a few years back and we used to sing over Michael Jackson “Beat it” but with “Bidet” instead.

        There is no way back for us.

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        You clearly used one of those adapters for a regular toilet. If you do it right, and get the new plumbing installed and an actual bidet, you can have confortable temperature water spraying on your dirty rosebud.

        Also no, I don’t own one… yet. I’ve just looked into it.

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          I have had both a cold water one and a dual temp bidet. By the time the water heated up I’m clean so I decided not to even bother hooking the hot water up.