The mods and users knew exactly what would happen, either Reddit changes, or they double down. The mods/users were ready to react to which ever Reddit chose. No one is making a surprised pikachu face here, they’re just calling Reddit out for doubling down, like they already planned to do, in the event it’s the move Reddit makes. It’s really not that hard to understand.
So they should have… done nothing and given in? Everyone was pretty sure that’s what they were going to do. The alternative choice is Stockholm Syndrome.
Given in to what? The same dynamic that the majority of social media companies have imposed on their users?
One thing to remember is TPA users (of which I was one) were 3% of the website. 3%. Not a very large figure.
In this capitalistic environment, the dynamic is built off of the most a-moral “fuck you, we can get away with it” approach to business that operates within legal bounds that ultimately allow for a corporation to come out on top. Maybe they break a law, have to pay fines, whatever; as long as they can still profit and make investors/shareholders happy, they’re probably going to get away with it.
Yes, it’s fucked up. 9/10 times, it doesn’t matter what the media says and it doesn’t matter what the users say.
It sucks, but like Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Google, Apple, etc. all of which have screwed their users over on multiple occasions, they’re still in business, chugging along, people are still using their services.
The alternative choice is Stockholm Syndrome.
By that logic, what’s the difference if, after all of this, still nothing changes and you still use their service?
We have Lemmy, kbin, Mastodon, etc. They’re a great alternative.
Yes, the communities aren’t as fleshed out, over time it will get better.
Reddit is thankfully more optional than a lot of other services.
You can stop using Reddit and go about your day to day obligations.
Services like Amazon and Google are a lot harder to give up.
I wonder what we could do to prevent things like this from happening in the future?
Maybe looking more into the political frameworks that exist, laws, and thinking realistically about what changes can be made in the near future, while also trying to understand the challenges that we would be faced against.
Something controversial happens -> a lot of people get pissed off (understandably so) -> media milks the shit out of the event -> narratives - true, false, embellished, whatever get created -> mischaracterization for anyone who’s approach to handling the situation isn’t in line with majority rule, blah blah blah -> the bad guys (usually) walk away fine.
That’s a very common cycle.
I wasn’t happy with what happened, but it’s been 2 months at this point, and what I’ve gathered is that nothing is going to change.
And yet because I say that these protests are fruitless people get mad and go absolutely nuts on the downvote button.
Sorry, I was under the impression we could have an open discussion without making assumptions in bad faith about people who disagree with the rationale.
They don’t care about any of that though. They knew this was going to happen before they made the announcement.
Do you really think they were that out of touch?
The mods and users knew exactly what would happen, either Reddit changes, or they double down. The mods/users were ready to react to which ever Reddit chose. No one is making a surprised pikachu face here, they’re just calling Reddit out for doubling down, like they already planned to do, in the event it’s the move Reddit makes. It’s really not that hard to understand.
They obviously didn’t know exactly what would happen, because if they did, they wouldn’t have bothered.
You’re listing two possible outcomes and pairing them as a single event, which doesn’t make sense.
Reddit was never going to change - that’s my point. They were definitely going to double down.
Have you ever, ever in your life, protested anything?
Yes.
So they should have… done nothing and given in? Everyone was pretty sure that’s what they were going to do. The alternative choice is Stockholm Syndrome.
Given in to what? The same dynamic that the majority of social media companies have imposed on their users?
One thing to remember is TPA users (of which I was one) were 3% of the website. 3%. Not a very large figure.
In this capitalistic environment, the dynamic is built off of the most a-moral “fuck you, we can get away with it” approach to business that operates within legal bounds that ultimately allow for a corporation to come out on top. Maybe they break a law, have to pay fines, whatever; as long as they can still profit and make investors/shareholders happy, they’re probably going to get away with it.
Yes, it’s fucked up. 9/10 times, it doesn’t matter what the media says and it doesn’t matter what the users say.
It sucks, but like Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Google, Apple, etc. all of which have screwed their users over on multiple occasions, they’re still in business, chugging along, people are still using their services.
By that logic, what’s the difference if, after all of this, still nothing changes and you still use their service?
We have Lemmy, kbin, Mastodon, etc. They’re a great alternative.
Yes, the communities aren’t as fleshed out, over time it will get better.
Reddit is thankfully more optional than a lot of other services.
You can stop using Reddit and go about your day to day obligations.
Services like Amazon and Google are a lot harder to give up.
I wonder what we could do to prevent things like this from happening in the future?
Maybe looking more into the political frameworks that exist, laws, and thinking realistically about what changes can be made in the near future, while also trying to understand the challenges that we would be faced against.
God save us from the delusion that whatever happens was secretly the prediction of assholes in power.
Sometimes… people… fuck up.
Sometimes people fuck up real big.
These people got caught lying on tape. Maybe they’re not as smart as you’d like.
You think I want them to be smart? Lol.
Something controversial happens -> a lot of people get pissed off (understandably so) -> media milks the shit out of the event -> narratives - true, false, embellished, whatever get created -> mischaracterization for anyone who’s approach to handling the situation isn’t in line with majority rule, blah blah blah -> the bad guys (usually) walk away fine.
That’s a very common cycle.
I wasn’t happy with what happened, but it’s been 2 months at this point, and what I’ve gathered is that nothing is going to change.
And yet because I say that these protests are fruitless people get mad and go absolutely nuts on the downvote button.
Sorry, I was under the impression we could have an open discussion without making assumptions in bad faith about people who disagree with the rationale.
My bad 🤚
‘Injustice is fine, actually. I am very smart.’
K bye.
No, it isn’t fine.
And no, I don’t think I’m “very smart”.
I mean, they have a done a new place at the worse time, so yeah lmao.