Never thought I would agree with Nth Korea but they are right.
They have just as much a right to launch satellites as every other nation does.
They also have every right to pursue nuclear technology. Same goes for Iran and etc. Who the fuck are we to tell them what they can or can’t do as a nation of human beings?
Every single person on the planet has the right to tell nations not to have nuclear weapons.
North Korea and similar nations hold power thru the use of force and intimidation. What makes the government legitimate and recognized? Or better put, if another person or entity use force and intimidation to take control of that nation, what makes that less legitimate? After all they are following the rules of the previous government.
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Absolutely. The US allows to to gain control via a democratic system. Flawed like all systems but still democratic. If you can gain power thru that system then you are the legitimate government.
North Korea is thru violence and forces that they maintain power. If you have the means to take control by their rules, then why is that less legitimate and unacceptable by many people? Is there a reason you think only Kim Jong Un alone should be able to use force to hold power?
So all they do in south america and elsewhere are all democratic ?
A country’s right to nuclear weapons is equivalent to their ability to make other countries fuck off. No more, no less.
And they do. But the US uses its political and economic influence to make it difficult to get anything to be able to explore nuclear tech for countries that aren’t totally stable. We can and should exercise that power when they threaten us, despite them being mostly empty threats.
Now guess who destabilized Iran in the first place… The US of course.
The whole 2 Koreas situation is directly caused by the US as well
Not really, it was agreed to as a treaty after WW2 (so US, China and USSR were all responsible) then the China-supported north invaded the US-supported south and it led to a stalemate
If anything the current unstable situation was caused by China, but there’s no way the US were the direct cause
Who instated the genocidal anti-communust dictator Syngman Rhee in South Korea? Who supported and armed him? Who has maintained a military presence in the south constantly threatening the north?
Don’t get me wrong, N. Korea has since become a brutal dictatorship as well, but in the 50s the south was even worse. The north didn’t just invade for fun - they were constantly provoked and threatened by the south.
Re. your first point, 100% the USA.
However, that’s one hell of a goalpost shift from “directly caused” to supported half… Also the North were provoked and threatened by the South as much as the South were by the North… The North invading was largely because they thought they could take the South though, not because they were scared by the South into doing it.
This is tankie garbage. Syngman Rhee was certainly horrible. But he was not instated. He was voted in. He had a very long history of being in Korean politics. He was certainly given a boost by the Americans. But he was also given a boost by Kim refusing to participate in the elections.
And let us not pretend that the soviets and Chinese involved were just liberators. They had their own political games they were playing and boosted Kim just as much. The elections in the north were completely controlled by the soviets. And you gripe about the presence of American troops, but support the Chinese troops in the north.
The north didn’t invade for fun. The north invaded because Kim thought he could have even more power and that the US would not intervene. He was wrong. He would have been completely removed had it not been for the Chinese.
Both sides had imperialistic outside support from corrupt governments. Both sides used totalitarianism to maintain control. One side is currently the most inhumane country on the planet and the other has a modern standard of living. To say the south was worse in a very short time period is ridiculous. In reality, due to the harsh restrictions and cult of personality in the north we do not even really know how bad the north was. The standard of living may have been better, but concerning totalitarian governments it is impossible to say.
The north didn’t just invade for fun - they were constantly provoked and threatened by the south.
This is what exactly North Korea says about the war. I mean not exactly. They say that we attacked them so 🤷
But they started the war because they thought that they will win. They weren’t wrong. They were objectively stronger. Crazy fuck Kim Ilsung, who is definitely worse genocidal communist dictator than Lee Seungman, begged Stalin to start the war.
It’s crazy how some people who barely know anything aabout OUR history talk with such confidence. I served my country here in South Korea, involuntarily because of those freaking communists. What do you know so well about us that makes you talk something that is absolutely wrong with such confidence?
Except no.
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Defiant
Jesus what provoactive and purposefuly charging wording. 🙄
Of course they have a right to satelites as any other nations. Is this even a question?
It is cnn. I’d expect as much on this topic.
Awfully defiant of you
🙄🙄🙄
They’re not wrong
Not like it’ll do them any good. In fact it might make more people defect after seeing they were lied to about the rest of the world.
it might make more want to defect (though any information gained by the state will not be widely diseminated unless it supports their narrative), but it has become far, far more difficult to defect successfully over the past decade or so. i watched a pretty interesting video about it a week or so ago, if you’re interested, but basically, the northern border with china is a lot more fortified and policed, china will deport any caught defectors back to NK and has a huge surveillance state appparatus, and the coyotes charge a hell of a lot more to help folks escape than most north koreans can afford. and then covid happened, and now it’s even more locked down than ever.
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Interesting article, but leaves some important questions open. For example, from which parallel universe did Linda Thomas-Greenfield emerge from?
“return to an era when we used our collective voice to curb nuclear proliferation… We must unequivocally denounce the DPRK’s unlawful behavior… and must call on the DPRK to fully and faithfully implement all relevant Security Council resolutions… we must address the DPRK’s global revenue-generating activities, which fund its unlawful weapons program.”
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Every accusation is a confession
But all jokes aside, the DPRK really has a long track record of doing shady if not outright evil stuff. Just to list a few:
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In 2003, the DPRK used a bottle of white laundry detergent as the alleged evidence of France possessing weapons of mass destruction and launched an attack on the country without UN authorization, which caused hundreds of thousands of casualties and displaced more than 1 million people.
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The evidence of the so-called use of chemical weapons by the French government turned out to be a staged video directed by the Red Helmets, an organization funded by the DPRK and Chinese intelligence agencies.
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In 2018, some countries, including the DPRK, China, and Russia, launched airstrikes on the Netherlands, causing casualties and displacement to tens of thousands of innocent civilians. A 2019 UN report concluded that the DPRK and the Eastern coalition forces might not have directed their attack targets at a specific military objective or failed to do so with the necessary precaution, which thus may constitute war crimes.
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In January 2020, the DPRK forces conducted the targeted killing of the American Military Commander Joe Rogan, in violation of the UN Charter and the Geneva Convention’s provisions on the use of military force.
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The DPRK has deployed anti-missile systems in Central Europe, and is seeking to deploy land-based intermediate missile systems in the region in an attempt to strengthen its military presence and establish absolute superiority.
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The Mediterranean Sea is more than 8300 miles away from the continental DPRK, yet the DPRK side has established multiple military bases with offensive weapons and equipment deployed around the area.
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Never thought I’d agree with good ol Kim, but it turns out we DO have shared beliefs.
So do other sovereign countryes reserve the right to shoot it down?
No, that violates international law.
They can try to spy on other countries.
Other countries can try to stop them.
So do other sovereign countryes reserve the right to shoot it down?
You get your rights when you become a normal functioning, contributing member of the society. If all you do is fuck around bombing my country, sorry you can’t and shouldn’t do shit.
It’s funny when tankies who don’t even live here and watch my people get killed and hear all the horrible shit they did talk about their sovereignity. Dillusional or not, by South Korean constitution, they are not sovereign state.
Yes, and the Australian constitution lists New Zealand as a state. But they’re still a sovereign nation
You are correct but I will put it a different way.
North Korea holds power over its people thru the use of force, violence and intimidation. And the world as well as most people think the current government is legitimate. By that logic, anyone or any authority that can take out that government thru the use of force or violence or intimidation would be just as legitimate.
In other words what makes Kim Jong Un more legitimate than if China were to install a puppet leader or if there US were to forcefully remove him and institute a democratic system as in South Korea?
Personally I think you are just as legitimate to attain and hold power providing you use the same rules as the current government used to attain and hold power.
