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    You assume that out of ignorance.

    Then explain to me why Ukrainians would like being invaded and bombed relentlessly. Please, I’m all ears.

    Here’s what people as they themselves put it.

    That guy is embedded with the the Russia army and goes on Infowars. He is simply an untrustworthy source, a propagandist.

    Edit: More from this video.

    What it very plainly says is that the west lacks industrial capacity for the kind of war that Russia is currently waging.

    The West currently lacks that specific industrial capacity. It could definitely shift production to counter Russia, especially as part of a longer war.

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      Then explain to me why Ukrainians would like being invaded and bombed relentlessly. Please, I’m all ears.

      The people themselves explain it in the video I linked. Here’s the ethnic breakdown of Ukraine for you. People in the east consider themselves to be occupied

      That guy is embedded with the the Russia army and goes on Infowars. He is simply an untrustworthy source, a propagandist.

      The interview is just the people telling what they think. Imagine thinking that’s propaganda as opposed to whatever you’re guzzling.

      The West currently lacks that specific industrial capacity. It could definitely shift production to counter Russia, especially as part of a longer war.

      No it can’t, you can’t create an industrial base overnight and anybody who’s not an utter imbecile understands that.

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        People in the east consider themselves to be occupied

        Now who’s assuming?

        The interview is just the people telling what they think. Imagine thinking that’s propaganda as opposed to whatever you’re guzzling.

        Has it ever occurred to you that those interviews can be faked? His Russian handlers tell him to head down a road, and lo and behold there is someone there to tell you about all the Ukrainian atrocities! I mean, sure it’s just a Russian soldier or separatist militia member that they stuck some civilian clothes on, but those are just details.

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          Now who’s assuming?

          I’m not assuming anything. This is what the people there say, and that’s why we’re not seeing any actual resistance to LPR and DPR forces taking cities the way we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan when US occupied those countries.

          Has it ever occurred to you that those interviews can be faked?

          Has it ever occurred to you that you might be a victim of propaganda?

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            This is what the people there say

            That can be faked easily.

            This is what the people there say, and that’s why we’re not seeing any actual resistance to LPR and DPR forces taking cities the way we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan when US occupied those countries.

            I’m sure Mariupol welcomed the Russians as liberators! Well, what’s left of it.

            Has it ever occurred to you that you might be a victim of propaganda?

            I try to keep a reasonable level of skepticism. But I’m certainly not trusting an easily faked YouTube video from someone who is obviously a propagandist spouting Russian talking points.

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              That can be faked easily.

              Unlike the propaganda you consume presumably.

              I’m sure Mariupol welcomed the Russians as liberators! Well, what’s left of it.

              Have you seen videos from Mariupol after it was taken? What you don’t seem to get is that people from LPR and DPR are the ones doing most of the work on the ground, not Russia. These are people who live in these areas and they’re not seen as occupiers.

              I try to keep a reasonable level of skepticism.

              You regurgitate pure propaganda in every one of your comments. According to you people like Chomsky are Russian propagandists.

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                Have you seen videos from Mariupol after it was taken?

                Have you seen pictures of Mariupol before and after it was bombed to shit? Russia did that, there is no escaping that reality.

                According to you people like Chomsky are Russian propagandists.

                The fuck? I disagree with Chomsky, but I never called him a propagandist. Patrick Lancaster and his ilk are propagandists.

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                  Have you seen pictures of Mariupol before and after it was bombed to shit? Russia did that, there is no escaping that reality.

                  Yeah, stuff gets bombed during wars. The reality is that Russia dropped far less bombs than US has in any recent conflict.

                  The fuck? I disagree with Chomsky, but I never called him a propagandist. Patrick Lancaster and his ilk are propagandists.

                  Chomsky has exact same position I have on the war. Since you claim what I say is Russian propaganda, then Chomsky must be one by extension. What Lancaster reports is what’s actually happening on the ground. You dismiss that because it doesn’t fit your narrative.