This game is not for you then. It’s OK, you can play something else, like a Ubisoft open world game. They have a dynamic world but also markers for everything so you can button through dialogue. The story is also much simpler than KCD so you don’t have to pay attention. Characters are also quite one dimensional, it’s easy to follow, much like Avowed. Highly advise AC shadows or Mirage.
I’m also playing through the first game at the moment, I’m about halfway through though with the main quest, and taking my time with side quests and activities at the moment.
I’m really enjoying my time with it.
However I completely agree with the person you’re replying to, the game isn’t hard or difficult at the beginning it’s obnoxious, once you understand these systems, which you’ll be lucky to do in-game, you can deal with it and the more you play the more accessible the game becomes, but in the beginning you have to be too efficient and adapt to a very unfamiliar experience.
So this game is for me, and it’s probably for the OP too.
Wholeheartedly disagree, these are the same arguments levied against the souls games and yet, it’s that opaqueness and steep learning curve that created such a tight knit and engrossing community. Arguably, some of the best games ever made.
Takes like this is what gives soulslike players a reputation of condescending elitist gatekeepers. They don’t even have a steep learning curve, early souls games are just janky in how they teach the player the basics.
It’s not even skill, it’s laziness and pride. The game has a quest tracker (limited to 3 concurrent quests) and also tracks quest characters. It’s just sheer utter laziness and refusal to read anything beyond a sentence and the hubris to think that if they are stuck, it’s the game’s problem, the issue is never them, they are never to blame for any shortcoming or inadequacy. That’s why they mentioned Avowed, it’s as deprived of any actual interactivity as it can be. It’s completely a fantasy on rails shooter. It’s basically a mobile game sold on steam for 70€.
This type of comment is why people don’t try new things.
The second game is incredibly difficult and frustrating. I’ve got about 600 hours in it so far. The learning curve is very steep and if you don’t pay attention you might miss easy ways to do quests and you’ll have to murder hobo or save scum. Sometimes I feel like the developers are straight up trolls who do shit intentionally hostile to the user.
That said the game is very rewarding and fun once it clicks. It’s kind of like soulslikes in that regard. You just have to play it to get better at it. AND DON"T CLICK CANCEL THE DIALOG!!!
There is a place for every type of game and every type of gamer. If you are a condescending dick to people they aren’t going to want to try the harder games and you won’t be able to talk to them about how cool the harder games are.
For anyone who wants to actually talk about the game with others who like it come join us at /c/kingdomcomedeliverance.
Is it though? In a world of limited time refunds, someone complains about something that is the exact ethos of a game, I tell them, probably not for you, play AC shadows, which is undoubtedly a good game for people who want a more accessible open world experience than KCD that is less demanding of your attention and less punishing of your time. Likely, in time for a full refund so they’re not stuck with something they find obnoxious, but I’m the ass for telling someone not to stick to something they clearly don’t like and get something more tailored to their taste. Maybe you should take your own advice, stick with me, ask me what I mean, go past whatever you interpreted my comment meant initially and see if it’s better to have someone frustrated at a game or have them play something they will like better.
Every single one of the components of my comment are factual, I did not insult anyone, and gave pretty good advice, recommending a good game that a lot of people like. The way they are interpreted is not on me.
Sure dude but in this case your comment comes off as if you were a huge elitist asshole. I mean, maybe you’re not. It’s just that your comment sounds as if it could be written by one. As if you’re just better than the OP because you can understand the complicated, intricate, dynamic mechanics of a game and OP is just not… whatever… enough to “get it”, and that they should just go play this simpler, one-dimensional, easy game, that they don’t even have to pay attention to.
It’s like you went to see an indie art-house film with your friend, and upon hearing that they didn’t like it as much as you did, you say “that’s okay, you’re probably just not smart enough to get it. Maybe you should just watch Marvel movies from now on.”
Just major, major asshole vibes. And I’m saying this as a KCD stan.
When someone asks for QoL to not having to pay attention to dialogue when playing an immersive RPG, clearly, they should be playing a different game, i.e. Assassin’s Creed Shadows, that happens to be really good.
In case you’re interested (you’re probably not), even soulslikes games usually put the tutorial messages in one place where you can come back to them to reread them
This game is not for you then. It’s OK, you can play something else, like a Ubisoft open world game. They have a dynamic world but also markers for everything so you can button through dialogue. The story is also much simpler than KCD so you don’t have to pay attention. Characters are also quite one dimensional, it’s easy to follow, much like Avowed. Highly advise AC shadows or Mirage.
I’m also playing through the first game at the moment, I’m about halfway through though with the main quest, and taking my time with side quests and activities at the moment.
I’m really enjoying my time with it.
However I completely agree with the person you’re replying to, the game isn’t hard or difficult at the beginning it’s obnoxious, once you understand these systems, which you’ll be lucky to do in-game, you can deal with it and the more you play the more accessible the game becomes, but in the beginning you have to be too efficient and adapt to a very unfamiliar experience.
So this game is for me, and it’s probably for the OP too.
Wholeheartedly disagree, these are the same arguments levied against the souls games and yet, it’s that opaqueness and steep learning curve that created such a tight knit and engrossing community. Arguably, some of the best games ever made.
Takes like this is what gives soulslike players a reputation of condescending elitist gatekeepers. They don’t even have a steep learning curve, early souls games are just janky in how they teach the player the basics.
You see the problem is a skill issue. They can’t get gud
They need an in game store chock full of micro transactions so they can buy with real money what they could have gotten by playing the game lmao 🤣
It’s not even skill, it’s laziness and pride. The game has a quest tracker (limited to 3 concurrent quests) and also tracks quest characters. It’s just sheer utter laziness and refusal to read anything beyond a sentence and the hubris to think that if they are stuck, it’s the game’s problem, the issue is never them, they are never to blame for any shortcoming or inadequacy. That’s why they mentioned Avowed, it’s as deprived of any actual interactivity as it can be. It’s completely a fantasy on rails shooter. It’s basically a mobile game sold on steam for 70€.
Whoa woah woe. No need to be a condescending asshole
This type of comment is why people don’t try new things.
The second game is incredibly difficult and frustrating. I’ve got about 600 hours in it so far. The learning curve is very steep and if you don’t pay attention you might miss easy ways to do quests and you’ll have to murder hobo or save scum. Sometimes I feel like the developers are straight up trolls who do shit intentionally hostile to the user.
That said the game is very rewarding and fun once it clicks. It’s kind of like soulslikes in that regard. You just have to play it to get better at it. AND DON"T CLICK CANCEL THE DIALOG!!!
There is a place for every type of game and every type of gamer. If you are a condescending dick to people they aren’t going to want to try the harder games and you won’t be able to talk to them about how cool the harder games are.
For anyone who wants to actually talk about the game with others who like it come join us at /c/kingdomcomedeliverance.
Is it though? In a world of limited time refunds, someone complains about something that is the exact ethos of a game, I tell them, probably not for you, play AC shadows, which is undoubtedly a good game for people who want a more accessible open world experience than KCD that is less demanding of your attention and less punishing of your time. Likely, in time for a full refund so they’re not stuck with something they find obnoxious, but I’m the ass for telling someone not to stick to something they clearly don’t like and get something more tailored to their taste. Maybe you should take your own advice, stick with me, ask me what I mean, go past whatever you interpreted my comment meant initially and see if it’s better to have someone frustrated at a game or have them play something they will like better.
Your original comment came off sarcastic and condescending. That is what they are referring to.
Every single one of the components of my comment are factual, I did not insult anyone, and gave pretty good advice, recommending a good game that a lot of people like. The way they are interpreted is not on me.
Some people like Avowed, dude. Let it go.
Huh?
Ubi open worlds are more like avowed, better, but with QoL, which is what you asked for. KCD1&2 are not for you. Dunno why the downvotes.
People generally downvote assholes.
Usually assholes are the ones calling names to random strangers.
Sure dude but in this case your comment comes off as if you were a huge elitist asshole. I mean, maybe you’re not. It’s just that your comment sounds as if it could be written by one. As if you’re just better than the OP because you can understand the complicated, intricate, dynamic mechanics of a game and OP is just not… whatever… enough to “get it”, and that they should just go play this simpler, one-dimensional, easy game, that they don’t even have to pay attention to.
It’s like you went to see an indie art-house film with your friend, and upon hearing that they didn’t like it as much as you did, you say “that’s okay, you’re probably just not smart enough to get it. Maybe you should just watch Marvel movies from now on.”
Just major, major asshole vibes. And I’m saying this as a KCD stan.
Because you used therms like “simpler” and “one dimensional” which makes your answer seem like you look down on these games and people you enjoy them.
Also your points don’t answer his technical difficulties he had with the game.
When someone asks for QoL to not having to pay attention to dialogue when playing an immersive RPG, clearly, they should be playing a different game, i.e. Assassin’s Creed Shadows, that happens to be really good.
He’s not interested in answering them. I live rent free in his head from a previous thread.
In case you’re interested (you’re probably not), even soulslikes games usually put the tutorial messages in one place where you can come back to them to reread them