educate and build a compassionate society is obviously the correct answer, but we can’t do that because there is a portion of society that will never let that happen. remove the roadblocks. anything less is being complicit in prolonged suffering.
“We can build our utopia, we just have to kill everyone who doesn’t agree with us” doesn’t sound very right in my ears. It sounds like something where one should ask “are we the baddies?”
History proves that naive view … very naive. Should the US never joined in the war? Should the Poles and French simply rolled over to the Nazis? You seem to be saying yes, which is simply pathetic beyond ignorance.
one of these days, maybe, you’ll come to realize that there is no objective morality. there is only the winners that decide how everyone else will live. we all get a choice in who those people are.
i choose to live in a world where rational thought dedicated to furthering humanity and ending suffering reigns supreme. the benefits of that world far outweigh the losses that one generation would have to suffer to achieve it. it’s just a simple trolley problem. if you can’t see that, then you are blinded by emotions.
Objectively false. People in completely different societies (indigenous, uncontacted, etc) have shown that they don’t kill people consequence-free or separated from morality.
even if we all agreed on one thing (which we don’t), it’s still nothing more than a human idea. morality is a concept. it does not exist. THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE MORALITY.
Oh yes, I am sure that the Nazis back then said the same about cleansing the german nation, the benefits for the Volkskörper outweigh the losses that one generation would have to suffer.
You can’t use the tools and methods of the enemy without becoming the enemy.
Trying to build a free society by use of oppression and mass murder is something that is doomed to fail and to turn into the thing it has sworn to fight.
One day you might by able to comprehend that.
What I say is that death should always be the last option, not (one of) the first.
There is almost always a better alternative available.
And if someone calls for the extinction of people only because they have the wrong beliefs or opinions, because they say the wrong thing or even tell lies, yes I then say that it is wrong.
It was wrong when the Nazis did it, it was wrong when the Soviet Union did it, it was wrong when the Chinese did it in the Cultural revolution, it was wrong in every single case where it ever has happened and it will always be wrong when it will happen again.
And if someone calls for the extinction of people only because they have the wrong beliefs or opinions, because they say the wrong thing or even tell lies, yes I then say that it is wrong.
and that is completely your opinion and nothing more than that.
again, i will choose what kind of world i want to live in. you don’t have to be part of the solution.
You can’t use the tools and methods of the enemy without becoming the enemy.
prove it.
yeah, i see exactly what kind of limp wristed do-nothing you are. you would let the nazis kill your countrymen because ‘fighting them would make you just like them’. i have no respect for cowards and pacifists.
also, i’m 51, so you can fuck right off with your “maybe one day…” - i know more than you. i have more experience than you. i’m wiser than you. show some respect.
Respect isn’t earned by counting rotations around the sun. I’m also 51, so - in your worldview - I deserve just as much respect as you? Fuck right off with your nonsense!
educate and build a compassionate society is obviously the correct answer, but we can’t do that because there is a portion of society that will never let that happen. remove the roadblocks. anything less is being complicit in prolonged suffering.
“We can build our utopia, we just have to kill everyone who doesn’t agree with us” doesn’t sound very right in my ears. It sounds like something where one should ask “are we the baddies?”
Learn nuance. They’re speaking to the Paradox of Tolerance, not calling for a blind genocide…
Murder is never a valid solution to the Paradox of Tolerance.
History proves that naive view … very naive. Should the US never joined in the war? Should the Poles and French simply rolled over to the Nazis? You seem to be saying yes, which is simply pathetic beyond ignorance.
No, I did not say that. And it says a lot that I am called pathetic for taking the position of the voice of reason.
But I will end this communication with you now, have a nice day
says the limp-wristed pacifist. when your head is under their boot, i will not pity you.
one of these days, maybe, you’ll come to realize that there is no objective morality. there is only the winners that decide how everyone else will live. we all get a choice in who those people are.
i choose to live in a world where rational thought dedicated to furthering humanity and ending suffering reigns supreme. the benefits of that world far outweigh the losses that one generation would have to suffer to achieve it. it’s just a simple trolley problem. if you can’t see that, then you are blinded by emotions.
Objectively false. People in completely different societies (indigenous, uncontacted, etc) have shown that they don’t kill people consequence-free or separated from morality.
even if we all agreed on one thing (which we don’t), it’s still nothing more than a human idea. morality is a concept. it does not exist. THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE MORALITY.
Wrong. Completely wrong. Look up “honor killings”. Then learn that it is legal and condoned in some places.
Oh yes, I am sure that the Nazis back then said the same about cleansing the german nation, the benefits for the Volkskörper outweigh the losses that one generation would have to suffer.
and had i been alive back then, i would have been calling for the extermination of those nazis before they could do the damage they did.
we’re all humans and it’s always been a war. one day you might realize that you have to pick a side.
You can’t use the tools and methods of the enemy without becoming the enemy. Trying to build a free society by use of oppression and mass murder is something that is doomed to fail and to turn into the thing it has sworn to fight. One day you might by able to comprehend that.
Oh, so EVERYONE who fights in a war is a murderer? Nobody was the good guys in ANY conflict that involved death?
Your ignorance is astounding.
What I say is that death should always be the last option, not (one of) the first. There is almost always a better alternative available.
And if someone calls for the extinction of people only because they have the wrong beliefs or opinions, because they say the wrong thing or even tell lies, yes I then say that it is wrong.
It was wrong when the Nazis did it, it was wrong when the Soviet Union did it, it was wrong when the Chinese did it in the Cultural revolution, it was wrong in every single case where it ever has happened and it will always be wrong when it will happen again.
I think people are saying such extreme things because it IS that far for some this day and age. We ARE at the last option in some cases,
I would hope anyone saying as much keeps it at a case by case basis, but it is purely ignorance that drives you to think it is not true for anyone.
and that is completely your opinion and nothing more than that.
again, i will choose what kind of world i want to live in. you don’t have to be part of the solution.
prove it.
yeah, i see exactly what kind of limp wristed do-nothing you are. you would let the nazis kill your countrymen because ‘fighting them would make you just like them’. i have no respect for cowards and pacifists.
also, i’m 51, so you can fuck right off with your “maybe one day…” - i know more than you. i have more experience than you. i’m wiser than you. show some respect.
Respect isn’t earned by counting rotations around the sun. I’m also 51, so - in your worldview - I deserve just as much respect as you? Fuck right off with your nonsense!