Israel’s complete blockade has passed seven weeks, and “people are running out of ways to cope,” the U.N. agency said. “The fragile gains made during the short ceasefire have unravelled.”
Kamala would have pushed for a plan to forcibly relocate everyone in Gaza to random surrounding countries so she could build a resort there? Kamala would have put an AI-generated video of Gazans living in luxury and idolizing gold statues of her? Deported student protesters on valid visas? Trump took a shit on your face and Gaza suffers more now, with zero hope whatsoever for any pushback from this fascist administration who applauds Israel’s every step
Trump took a shit on your face and Gaza suffers more now, with zero hope whatsoever for any pushback from this fascist administration who applauds Israel’s every step
100%
It amazes me how far morons will go to justify tacitly supporting naked fascism for purity politics and their own moral purity in the face of the immoral outcomes of their choices.
Produce any media where she even hinted at having a different Gaza policy.
Israel started the genocide early after Oct 7, it’s not escalated. They’re already leveled over 80% of Gaza and destroyed every hospital and piece of infrastructure under Biden.
Tell me, how is that at all different from Trump’s current policy?
Edit: for the down voters, I don’t care. My point is made by you not being able to do anything other than down vote. You know I’m right and that makes you mad. No media exists which will absolve Kamala on Israel.
Here’s one of her staffers explaining the difference, since the difference is so fucking hard for certain people to comprehend. It wasn’t going to be fantastic, but I stand by my statement that only absolute fucking morons think they would have been the same. Because those people can’t understand there are shades of awful or the difference between bad, and fucking gone.
That mentality is the textbook definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Voting for Kamala was attempting stem the bleeding, and people decided to cut a limb off instead. It’s a shame that so many more people are going to suffer for their choice. And I really hope the naked fascism that these people directly contributed to via tacit support (thanks non voters!) isn’t as bad as it will be, all because they wanted to play purity politics.
Former staffer that resigned because of the Gaza policy and was not involved in the 2024 election.
From the article, since you didn’t bother to read.
Harris has not been the candidate many of us wanted. Her candidacy is historic, but she and the Democratic Party have failed to champion a truly progressive agenda — one needed not only to motivate her base, but to take on the right wing’s increasingly fascist policies and rhetoric. It has been devastating to see Harris refuse to break with Biden on Israel, adopt xenophobic talking points about immigration policy, and campaign alongside hawkish, pro-war Republicans.
And yeah, I 100% agree with the author. Her position is and remains mine. If you’d bother to read the article, you’d see she even supported the uncommitted movement, which guess who the protest voters were?
You are struggling to square away that I have empathy and understand why people couldn’t stomach Harris. Stop calling people “morons” because they can’t as easily justify genocide as you can.
Also do note that rather than addressing my challenge, you proved my point. Harris had identical Gaza policies to Biden and the only reason to vote for her was the fact that there were some pro Palestinian Democrats. You vote for her not because she’s better in Gaza, but out of the hope that members of her caucus could moderate her position.
Really fucking rich accusing me of not reading the article when you stopped reading as soon as your opinion was validated.
From the article, since you didn’t bother to read to the end:
The painful reality is that the movement for Palestinian rights has not acquired the political power necessary to stop the genocide that we have all watched unfold over the last year. And ultimately, it is progressive movements - not Harris and the Democrats - who will suffer the most under a second Trump term. We cannot abdicate our power within the Democratic Party, limited as it may be, for the sake of trying to punish the party’s leadership. We must block Trump and the fascist right, while at the same time demanding change from our leaders, continuing to agitate for an arms embargo with every resource we have.
And yeah, I 100% agree with the author. Her position is and remains mine. If you’d bother to read the whole article, you’d see that she’s telling you not to take the path you did.
This is why I said what I said, and chose not to respond to anything else.
Stop calling people “morons” because they can’t as easily justify genocide as you can.
I think it’s more regarding their lack of ability to see nuance. If your choices are genocide and genocide lite, yeah, they’re both fucking bad, but maybe with lite, we can have more time to effect real change vs Trump, under whom we are guaranteed to see absolutely no change in a positive direction. I’d rather take 1% over 0%.
How about calling it genocide vs even-more-genocide? Does that make the distinction any clearer between the choices that were available? Whether we like it or not (and I’m 100% in the latter group) ‘no genocide’ was not on the menu
Don’t get me wrong, I’m disgusted by the state of politics in this country, and would not have voted for Kamala had there been any other person on the ballot that had a realistic choice of winning. But the choice was what we had, and we knew the outcome was going to be bad but workable or fucking awful naked fascism. And so many people chose fucking awful naked fascism in the face of not being able to hold up their moral purity, and now make arguments like she would have done all the awful shit that trump was telling us he was going to do.
That’s why I said what I said. And if you actually read the article I linked above instead of taking what the other user cherry picked out, you’ll see that even the staffer who left because of Gaza said we should have voted for her for basically the reason of what we’re seeing happen.
You’re not wrong, by all means. Either way you also need to be doing anything you can like protesting in the streets, boycotting anything that supports Israel, and support organizations that help Palestine. But I’d rather buy time for there to still be a Gaza to fight for, personally.
Biden’s and by extension Kamala’s Israel policy was functionally identical to Trump’s. The atrocities happening under Trump were happening under Biden. The only thing that’s changed is now that Trump is in charge it’s become acceptable for left leaning media to criticize that policy. Under Biden, outlets like MSNBC literally fired everyone with even an incling of pro Palestinian rhetoric. They framed genocide protestors as antisemites.
And it wasn’t just Biden. Practically the entire DNC was 100% behind Israel.
The people protesting had friends and family killed by US muntins that the Biden admin never even hinted at threatening to reduce, even after Israel doing things like murdering aid workers. Even after blowing past every single “red line”.
Go watch Antony Blinken talk about Israel. It’s disgusting, but there really was no difference in rhetoric between him and the current Trump admin.
You don’t understand the protest vote because, like Biden, you didn’t look into or care about the protesters until it became something you could use to bitch about Trump or voters that didn’t do what you wanted.
And yes, I voted for Kamala and told everyone to vote for her. Her campaign shat the bed by chasing right-wing voters and by ignoring the genocide their admin continued to aid. “At least I’m not the other guy” does not work or inspire votes.
Protest voting the Democratic Party over Palestine was and remains utterly baffling to me.
What do you mean, Kamala would have done the same thing!
Kamala would have done the same thing.
Democrats have never shown a willingness to challenge Israel on anything.
The “absolute fucking morons” are the ones who thought kamala would be any different.
Maybe Bernie would’ve done something different, but neo-liberals don’t like him.
Kamala would have pushed for a plan to forcibly relocate everyone in Gaza to random surrounding countries so she could build a resort there? Kamala would have put an AI-generated video of Gazans living in luxury and idolizing gold statues of her? Deported student protesters on valid visas? Trump took a shit on your face and Gaza suffers more now, with zero hope whatsoever for any pushback from this fascist administration who applauds Israel’s every step
100%
It amazes me how far morons will go to justify tacitly supporting naked fascism for purity politics and their own moral purity in the face of the immoral outcomes of their choices.
Produce any media where she even hinted at having a different Gaza policy.
Israel started the genocide early after Oct 7, it’s not escalated. They’re already leveled over 80% of Gaza and destroyed every hospital and piece of infrastructure under Biden.
Tell me, how is that at all different from Trump’s current policy?
Edit: for the down voters, I don’t care. My point is made by you not being able to do anything other than down vote. You know I’m right and that makes you mad. No media exists which will absolve Kamala on Israel.
i don’t remember hearing Harris say anything about bulldozing Gaza and building a beach resort
Here’s one of her staffers explaining the difference, since the difference is so fucking hard for certain people to comprehend. It wasn’t going to be fantastic, but I stand by my statement that only absolute fucking morons think they would have been the same. Because those people can’t understand there are shades of awful or the difference between bad, and fucking gone.
That mentality is the textbook definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Voting for Kamala was attempting stem the bleeding, and people decided to cut a limb off instead. It’s a shame that so many more people are going to suffer for their choice. And I really hope the naked fascism that these people directly contributed to via tacit support (thanks non voters!) isn’t as bad as it will be, all because they wanted to play purity politics.
Former staffer that resigned because of the Gaza policy and was not involved in the 2024 election.
From the article, since you didn’t bother to read.
And yeah, I 100% agree with the author. Her position is and remains mine. If you’d bother to read the article, you’d see she even supported the uncommitted movement, which guess who the protest voters were?
You are struggling to square away that I have empathy and understand why people couldn’t stomach Harris. Stop calling people “morons” because they can’t as easily justify genocide as you can.
Also do note that rather than addressing my challenge, you proved my point. Harris had identical Gaza policies to Biden and the only reason to vote for her was the fact that there were some pro Palestinian Democrats. You vote for her not because she’s better in Gaza, but out of the hope that members of her caucus could moderate her position.
Really fucking rich accusing me of not reading the article when you stopped reading as soon as your opinion was validated.
From the article, since you didn’t bother to read to the end:
And yeah, I 100% agree with the author. Her position is and remains mine. If you’d bother to read the whole article, you’d see that she’s telling you not to take the path you did.
This is why I said what I said, and chose not to respond to anything else.
I think it’s more regarding their lack of ability to see nuance. If your choices are genocide and genocide lite, yeah, they’re both fucking bad, but maybe with lite, we can have more time to effect real change vs Trump, under whom we are guaranteed to see absolutely no change in a positive direction. I’d rather take 1% over 0%.
There is no genocide lite. It’s just genocide with better marketing.
How about calling it genocide vs even-more-genocide? Does that make the distinction any clearer between the choices that were available? Whether we like it or not (and I’m 100% in the latter group) ‘no genocide’ was not on the menu
Don’t get me wrong, I’m disgusted by the state of politics in this country, and would not have voted for Kamala had there been any other person on the ballot that had a realistic choice of winning. But the choice was what we had, and we knew the outcome was going to be bad but workable or fucking awful naked fascism. And so many people chose fucking awful naked fascism in the face of not being able to hold up their moral purity, and now make arguments like she would have done all the awful shit that trump was telling us he was going to do.
That’s why I said what I said. And if you actually read the article I linked above instead of taking what the other user cherry picked out, you’ll see that even the staffer who left because of Gaza said we should have voted for her for basically the reason of what we’re seeing happen.
You’re not wrong, by all means. Either way you also need to be doing anything you can like protesting in the streets, boycotting anything that supports Israel, and support organizations that help Palestine. But I’d rather buy time for there to still be a Gaza to fight for, personally.
That is some heavy copium your on buddy. You might want to step down on your doses before you do permanent damage.
My position has been rock solid through the entire election. Feel free to look through my past comments.
The only ones coping are you guys that are just becoming aware of genocide because Trump is also supporting it.
Keep getting mad and ignoring anyone who doesn’t 100% carry water for Democrats. I’m sure that will continue to be electorially successful.
Not to me.
Biden’s and by extension Kamala’s Israel policy was functionally identical to Trump’s. The atrocities happening under Trump were happening under Biden. The only thing that’s changed is now that Trump is in charge it’s become acceptable for left leaning media to criticize that policy. Under Biden, outlets like MSNBC literally fired everyone with even an incling of pro Palestinian rhetoric. They framed genocide protestors as antisemites.
And it wasn’t just Biden. Practically the entire DNC was 100% behind Israel.
The people protesting had friends and family killed by US muntins that the Biden admin never even hinted at threatening to reduce, even after Israel doing things like murdering aid workers. Even after blowing past every single “red line”.
Go watch Antony Blinken talk about Israel. It’s disgusting, but there really was no difference in rhetoric between him and the current Trump admin.
You don’t understand the protest vote because, like Biden, you didn’t look into or care about the protesters until it became something you could use to bitch about Trump or voters that didn’t do what you wanted.
And yes, I voted for Kamala and told everyone to vote for her. Her campaign shat the bed by chasing right-wing voters and by ignoring the genocide their admin continued to aid. “At least I’m not the other guy” does not work or inspire votes.
Guess you can smugly smile about your moral superiority as they “finish the job” in the final Nakhba.