Very confidently getting basic facts wrong doesn’t inspire confidence in the rest of your comments.
Your example still doesn’t give a reason why 2 + 3 * 4 is 2 + 3 + 3 + 3 +3 instead of 2 + 3 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 3 other than that we all agree to it.
And you can shove the condescension up your ass until you understand the difference between unary and binary operators.
But to original point. I’m not disagreeing with anything and you’re proving my point for me. There is no fundamental law of the universe that says multiplication comes first. It’s defined by man and agreed to. If we encounter aliens someday, the area of their triangles are still going to be half the width times the height, the ratios of their circles circumference to diameter are still going to be pi, regardless of how they represent those values. But they could very well prioritize addition and subtraction over multiplication and division.
Actually, it is. Written by a PhD and used in a college course. It just happens to be distributed for free because Canada is cool like that.
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May want to work on your own reading comprehension.
It’s not me who doesn’t understand the difference.
The facts disagree.
You can keep saying defined all you want, it doesn’t change the underlying issue that it’s defined by man. In the absence of all your books (which you clearly don’t understand anyway based on our discussion of unary vs binary) order of operations only exists because we all agree to it.
Actually, it is. Written by a PhD and used in a college course.
Yeah there’s an issue with them having forgotten the basic rules, since they don’t actually teach them (except in a remedial way). Why do you think I keep trying to bring you back to actual Maths textbooks?
May want to work on your own reading comprehension.
Nope. It’s still not a textbook. Sounds more like a higher education version of Wikipedia.
The facts disagree
With you, yes.
it doesn’t change the underlying issue that it’s defined by man.
The notation is, the rules aren’t.
In the absence of all your books (which you clearly don’t understand anyway based on our discussion of unary vs binary)
Says person who doesn’t understand the difference between unary and binary. Apparently EVERYTHING is binary according to you (and your website). 😂
order of operations only exists because we all agree to it
It exists whether we agree with it or not. Don’t obey it, get wrong answers.
You keep mentioning textbooks but haven’t actually shown any that support you. I have. I’ll trust the PhD teaching a university course on the subject over the nobody on the internet who just keeps saying “trust me bro” and then being condescending while also being embarrassingly wrong.
Says person who doesn’t understand the difference between unary and binary.
Talking about yourself in the third person is weird. Even your nonsense about a silent “+” is really just leaving off the leading 0 in the equation 0+2. Because addition is a binary operator.
Apparently EVERYTHING is binary according to you (and your website). 😂
Only the ones that operate on two inputs. Some examples of unary operators are factorial, absolute value, and trig functions. The laughing face when you make a fool of yourself isn’t really as effective as you think it is.
But we’re getting off topic again. I can’t keep trying to explain the same thing to you, so I would say this has been fun, but it’s been more like talking to an unusually obnoxious brick wall. Next time you want to engage with someone try being less of a prick, or at least less wrong. You’re not nearly as smart as you seem to think you are.
It is though. Here’s a link to buy a printed copy:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! They print it out when someone places an order! 😂
You keep mentioning textbooks but haven’t actually shown any that support you. I have
No you haven’t. You’ve shown 2 websites, both updated by random people.
I’ll trust the PhD teaching a university course on the subject
I already pointed out to you that they DON’T teach order of operations at University. It’s taught in high school. Dude on page you referred to was teaching Set theory, not order of operations.
over the nobody on the internet
Don’t know who you’re referring to. I’m a high school Maths teacher, hence the dozens of textbooks on the topic.
Talking about yourself in the third person is weird
Proves I’m not weird then doesn’t it.
Even your nonsense about a silent “+”
You call what’s in textbooks nonsense? That explains a lot! 😂
is really just leaving off the leading 0 in the equation 0+2
And yet the textbook says nothing of the kind. If I had 2+3, which is really +2+3 (see above textbook), do I, according to you, have to write 0+2+0+3? Enquiring minds want to know. And do I have to put another plus in front of the zero, as per the textbook, +0+2+0+3
Because addition is a binary operator
No it isn’t 😂
Only the ones that operate on two inputs.
Now you’re getting it. Multiply and divide take 2 inputs, add and subtract take 1.
Some examples of unary operators are factorial, absolute value, and trig functions.
Actually none of those are operators. The first 2 are grouping symbols (like brackets, exponents, and vinculums), the last is a function (it was right there in the name). The only unary operators are plus and minus.
I can’t keep trying to explain the same thing to you
Welcome to the 21st century. We have this thing called the internet so people can share information without killing trees. It’s the resource material for a college course. That’s like the definition of a text book without costing the students a month’s rent.
random people.
One is a PhD teaching a college course on the subject, the other is Wolfram. Neither of those are “random people” and their credentials beat “claims to be a high school math teacher but had trouble counting to 2” pretty soundly.
I already pointed out to you that they DON’T teach order of operations at University. It’s taught in high school. Dude on page you referred to was teaching Set theory, not order of operations.
This portion of the discussion wasn’t about order of operations, it was about the number of inputs an operator (+, and - in this case) has. Try to keep up.
Don’t know who you’re referring to. I’m a high school Maths teacher, hence the dozens of textbooks on the topic.
Dear God if that’s true I feel sorry for your students and embarrassed for whatever school is paying you. But this is the internet and with any luck that’s a flat out lie. At least your repeated use of the plural maths means you’re not anywhere near my kids.
And yet the textbook says nothing of the kind. If I had 2+3, which is really +2+3…
Oh, I see the problem. We’re back to reading comprehension. That section you highlighted specifically refers to when those symbols are being used as a “sign of the quality” of the number it’s referring to, not when it’s being used to indicate an operation like addition or subtraction. Hopefully that clears it up. This is ignoring the fact that a random screen shot could be anything. For all I know you wrote that yourself.
do I, according to you, have to write 0+2+0+3
No. You also don’t need to write +2+3 because the first “+” isn’t an operator. It’s, as your own picture says, a sign of the quality of 2.
Now you’re getting it. Multiply and divide take 2 inputs, add and subtract take 1.
I would love to know how you get to a sum or difference with only one input. Here, I’ll try to spell it out using your own example so that even you can understand.
The inputs to 2 + 3 = 5 are 2 and 3. Let’s count them together. 2 is the first, and 3 is the second. 1, 2. Two inputs for addition. Did you get it this time? Was that too fast? You can go back and read it again if you need to
Actually none of those are operators. The first 2 are grouping symbols
Fine, operation then. The fact that you think “!” is the same thing as brackets doesn’t do anything to help your bona fides. And I don’t have the energy to write up a word doc and screen shot it since that’s apparently what it takes for you to consider something valid.
Maybe you’re just being weirdly pedantic about operator vs operation. Which would be a strange hill to die on since the original topic was operations.
You very nearly got it that time though! 😂
If by “it” you mean through your thick skull, then you’re more optimistic than I am.
Again, it’s not me who’s wrong.
Again, according to literally everyone, it is. I could keep providing sources, but I still don’t have the time to screen shot some random crap with no supporting evidence. And as much as I enjoy dunking on dipshits, I’ve got other things to do.
Typical examples of binary operations are the addition ( + {\displaystyle +}) and multiplication ( × {\displaystyle \times }) of numbers and matrices
Very confidently getting basic facts wrong doesn’t inspire confidence in the rest of your comments.
Your example still doesn’t give a reason why 2 + 3 * 4 is 2 + 3 + 3 + 3 +3 instead of 2 + 3 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 3 other than that we all agree to it.
…says person quoting Wikipedia and NOT a Maths textbook! 😂
Yes it does., need to work on your comprehension…
You can disagree as much as you want and 3x4 will still be defined as 3+3+3+3. It’s been that way ever since Multiplication was invented.
The arithmetic operations, addition + , subtraction − , multiplication × , and division ÷
That better? Or you can find one you like all by yourself: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=binary+operator&ko=-1&ia=web
And you can shove the condescension up your ass until you understand the difference between unary and binary operators.
But to original point. I’m not disagreeing with anything and you’re proving my point for me. There is no fundamental law of the universe that says multiplication comes first. It’s defined by man and agreed to. If we encounter aliens someday, the area of their triangles are still going to be half the width times the height, the ratios of their circles circumference to diameter are still going to be pi, regardless of how they represent those values. But they could very well prioritize addition and subtraction over multiplication and division.
Is it a Maths textbook?
I already have dozens of Maths textbooks thanks.
It’s not me who doesn’t understand the difference.
Still need to work on your comprehension then. I did nothing of the sort.
Yes there is. The fact that it’s defined as repeated addition. You don’t do it first, you get wrong answers.
It’s been defined and man has no choice but to agree with the consequences of the definition, or you get wrong answers.
No they couldn’t. It gives wrong answers.
Actually, it is. Written by a PhD and used in a college course. It just happens to be distributed for free because Canada is cool like that.
May want to work on your own reading comprehension.
The facts disagree.
You can keep saying defined all you want, it doesn’t change the underlying issue that it’s defined by man. In the absence of all your books (which you clearly don’t understand anyway based on our discussion of unary vs binary) order of operations only exists because we all agree to it.
Yeah there’s an issue with them having forgotten the basic rules, since they don’t actually teach them (except in a remedial way). Why do you think I keep trying to bring you back to actual Maths textbooks?
Nope. It’s still not a textbook. Sounds more like a higher education version of Wikipedia.
With you, yes.
The notation is, the rules aren’t.
Says person who doesn’t understand the difference between unary and binary. Apparently EVERYTHING is binary according to you (and your website). 😂
It exists whether we agree with it or not. Don’t obey it, get wrong answers.
It is though. Here’s a link to buy a printed copy: https://libretexts.org/bookstore/order?math-7309
You keep mentioning textbooks but haven’t actually shown any that support you. I have. I’ll trust the PhD teaching a university course on the subject over the nobody on the internet who just keeps saying “trust me bro” and then being condescending while also being embarrassingly wrong.
And because I can’t help it, I’ll also trust Wolfram over you: Examples of binary operation on A from A×A to A include addition (+), subtraction (-), multiplication (×) and division (÷). Here, you can buy a copy of this too: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1420072218/weisstein-20
Talking about yourself in the third person is weird. Even your nonsense about a silent “+” is really just leaving off the leading 0 in the equation 0+2. Because addition is a binary operator.
Only the ones that operate on two inputs. Some examples of unary operators are factorial, absolute value, and trig functions. The laughing face when you make a fool of yourself isn’t really as effective as you think it is.
But we’re getting off topic again. I can’t keep trying to explain the same thing to you, so I would say this has been fun, but it’s been more like talking to an unusually obnoxious brick wall. Next time you want to engage with someone try being less of a prick, or at least less wrong. You’re not nearly as smart as you seem to think you are.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! They print it out when someone places an order! 😂
No you haven’t. You’ve shown 2 websites, both updated by random people.
I already pointed out to you that they DON’T teach order of operations at University. It’s taught in high school. Dude on page you referred to was teaching Set theory, not order of operations.
Don’t know who you’re referring to. I’m a high school Maths teacher, hence the dozens of textbooks on the topic.
Proves I’m not weird then doesn’t it.
You call what’s in textbooks nonsense? That explains a lot! 😂
And yet the textbook says nothing of the kind. If I had 2+3, which is really +2+3 (see above textbook), do I, according to you, have to write 0+2+0+3? Enquiring minds want to know. And do I have to put another plus in front of the zero, as per the textbook, +0+2+0+3
No it isn’t 😂
Now you’re getting it. Multiply and divide take 2 inputs, add and subtract take 1.
Actually none of those are operators. The first 2 are grouping symbols (like brackets, exponents, and vinculums), the last is a function (it was right there in the name). The only unary operators are plus and minus.
You very nearly got it that time though! 😂
Again, it’s not me who’s wrong.
Welcome to the 21st century. We have this thing called the internet so people can share information without killing trees. It’s the resource material for a college course. That’s like the definition of a text book without costing the students a month’s rent.
One is a PhD teaching a college course on the subject, the other is Wolfram. Neither of those are “random people” and their credentials beat “claims to be a high school math teacher but had trouble counting to 2” pretty soundly.
This portion of the discussion wasn’t about order of operations, it was about the number of inputs an operator (+, and - in this case) has. Try to keep up.
Dear God if that’s true I feel sorry for your students and embarrassed for whatever school is paying you. But this is the internet and with any luck that’s a flat out lie. At least your repeated use of the plural maths means you’re not anywhere near my kids.
Oh, I see the problem. We’re back to reading comprehension. That section you highlighted specifically refers to when those symbols are being used as a “sign of the quality” of the number it’s referring to, not when it’s being used to indicate an operation like addition or subtraction. Hopefully that clears it up. This is ignoring the fact that a random screen shot could be anything. For all I know you wrote that yourself.
No. You also don’t need to write +2+3 because the first “+” isn’t an operator. It’s, as your own picture says, a sign of the quality of 2.
I would love to know how you get to a sum or difference with only one input. Here, I’ll try to spell it out using your own example so that even you can understand.
The inputs to 2 + 3 = 5 are 2 and 3. Let’s count them together. 2 is the first, and 3 is the second. 1, 2. Two inputs for addition. Did you get it this time? Was that too fast? You can go back and read it again if you need to
Fine, operation then. The fact that you think “!” is the same thing as brackets doesn’t do anything to help your bona fides. And I don’t have the energy to write up a word doc and screen shot it since that’s apparently what it takes for you to consider something valid.
Maybe you’re just being weirdly pedantic about operator vs operation. Which would be a strange hill to die on since the original topic was operations.
If by “it” you mean through your thick skull, then you’re more optimistic than I am.
Again, according to literally everyone, it is. I could keep providing sources, but I still don’t have the time to screen shot some random crap with no supporting evidence. And as much as I enjoy dunking on dipshits, I’ve got other things to do.