• grandkaiser@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    66
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Hi, professional DNS engineer here! if anyone has any questions about the inner workings of DNS or top level domains, ask away! (THIS IS MY MOMENT)

      • shrugal@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        Because DNS is the user-facing part of the whole system. There is plenty of trouble with everything else, but you usually don’t see that as a user. Also it’s a hierarchical system with big providers/governments giving and taking names as they see fit, so there is always the possibility to get screwed.

      • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        Because it’s the least-likely position to be staffed by a company. It’s the “least important” person to have… until it breaks. Often a company relies on routing-switching engineers to do DNS instead of hiring a dedicated DDI engineer (DNS, DHCP, IPAM). It saves money in the short term, but when shit hits the fan… no one knows how to fix it because DNS is really easy until it’s not. DNS is super simple at a basic level. But it goes way deeper than most people realize.

      • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Also, if you’re genuinely interested in this field, first you should enter the world of enterprise network engineering. Get Security +, CCNA, and PCNSA. With those certs in hand (and knowledge in your brain), apply to jobs as a network support engineer. Do the work for a few years. Learn BIND. Learn Infoblox. Focus on learning DHCP and subnetting. Learn DNSSEC & IPv6. Experiment with a Pi Hole. Set up a home lab. Apply to jobs with DNS. Start living the good life. This takes about 10 years if you learn fast and are good at interviews.

        • sol87@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          11 months ago

          I only just now saw this post, the last month i have already been going all out to learn everything that i need for my Security+ (then CySec+) i have a 30hr video course im part way thorugh, and ive set up a few VMs with various servers like OWASP Security Shepherd and Dam Vunurable Web App for some more hands on experience as well as testing on my personal production Nextcloud and Jellyfin servers and ive been having alot of fun with it all, i think im pretty solid with DHCP and subnetting already through my home networking adventures. I will look into each of those other Certs and each thing you mention to learn thank you! Ive been deep into various Linux systems since about 2008 and im hoping to leverage that as much as i can(although its left me with a lack of modern Windows experience).

          Thank you so much for all the tips! I feel some good things coming as im getting into this as work.

      • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        Ah, thanks for the info! I have no idea how Lemmy stuff works. I only became aware of Lemmy last month.

    • jmanjones@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      1 year ago

      When I was talking my cyber security / ethical hacking class, we learned how to do zone transfer. The concept never stuck and I basically “copy” from my friend. So what exactly is a DNS Zone Transfer?

      • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        Friday I was doing a zone transfer! What are the odds?

        A zone transfer is like moving houses, except for an authoritative zone.

        In DNS, we have what’s called an authoritative zone. That means the device hosting the “resource records” (all the data that DNS passes around) is the “ultimate” answer. I.e, it’s not cached data. It’s not a hosts file. It’s not a recursive answer. It’s the real deal.

        When you want to move the authoritative zone to another server, you do a “zone transfer” that means the new server will copy all the resource records over TCP from current authoritative zone. The reason you may want to do this instead of manually hand-jamming it is that many large organizations have, sometimes, hundreds of resource records (last month I coordinated a zone transfer that was over 1000 records!).

        • jmanjones@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Why would a hacker want to conduct a zone transfer? In otherwords, what is the utility or usefulness of a zone transfer for a hacker (black or white hat)?

          • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            If you initiate a zone transfer, you can now claim to be authoritative for a zone. That means you can be a ‘bad actor’ DNS server that serves fake records. In practice, this means that you can redirect people to an attack site.

            Let’s say you’re Joe the Random Internet User and you want to go to lemmy.world This is what happens in a non-attack (we’re skipping caching & non-authoritative answers for brevity):

            1. You type “lemmy.world” into your browser
            2. Your computer initiates a stub resolution for lemmy.world. (the trailing dot here isn’t a period. It’s the “true” FQDN)
            3. Computer looks at hosts file and doesn’t see anything
            4. DNS packets are sent to your configured DNS server. If you don’t have one configured, DHCP already configured it for you
            5. Your DNS server performs a recursive search for world by asking the root zone where the “world” Name Serer is
            6. root zone resolves world as:

            world. 3600 IN NS v0n0.nic.world.

            world. 3600 IN NS v0n1.nic.world.

            world. 3600 IN NS v0n2.nic.world.

            world. 3600 IN NS v0n3.nic.world.

            world. 3600 IN NS v2n0.nic.world.

            world. 3600 IN NS v2n1.nic.world.

            1. Your DNS server reaches out to one of those Name Server’s (That’s what the NS record is for) and asks it where “lemmy” is
            2. world Name Server responds with:

            lemmy.world. 300 IN A 172.67.218.212

            lemmy.world. 300 IN A 104.21.53.208

            1. Your DNS server contacts your computer and serves it those IP addresses. (A record’s are domain name to IP Address)

            Now lets say there’s a DNS spoof attack:

            1. Before the “world” server can get back to your DNS server, the hackers server interjects with it’s own authoritative claim that lemmy is here:

            lemmy.world. 300 IN A [attack site IP]

            1. Your DNS server contacts your computer and serves it that IP address. Your computer then contacts the attack site and you get a virus.
    • lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      1 year ago
      1. Could users set a temporary entry in their hosts file pointing the .ml domains to public IPs in order to regain access to their account if they needed to?

      2. Can Lemmy federate to an IP address directly or will the settings only accept an fqdn?

      3. Will a Lemmy instance work behind a reverse proxy.

      Thanks for taking the time to answer questions.

      • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 year ago
        1. Yes. Unless there’s some kind of crazy domain-level hi-jinks involved with Lemmy (I am not versed in Lemmy), pointing directly to the IP will work if you bypass it by spoofing your DNS (Hosts file, for example).
        2. I don’t know how Lemmy federation works, sorry :(
        3. See #2

        Sorry that I couldn’t answer more of your questions.

      • sol87@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        There are several problem with this including total lack of SSL without the proper cert for that other domain, also Lemmy.ml’s IP seems to be running a reverse proxy so the internal IP that we would want to connect to is not visible to the world this is common for web security, the owners must set allowed domains and ports in their config file.

        If none of that was a problem Lemmy itself does not do well with changing domains, as highlighted here: https://lemmy.nrd.li/comment/190200

      • MimicJar@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        1 year ago

        The “.com” and “.org” and all other Top Level Domains are owned/controlled by some organization.

        Com and org are your original TLDs, so since they were around first you see them everywhere. At some point countries got their own TLDs so Mali got “ml” for example but Tuvalu got “tv”. (Yes, technically “.tv” has nothing to do with television.) And a few years back there was open bidding for a bunch of new TLDs which is where “.sport” or “.dentist” come from.

        Anyone some entity owns/controls them and then can sell any word or domain under it. So if you want “greatgatsby.com” you have to talk to the “.com” owners. If you want “greatgatsby.sport” you talk to the “.sport” owners. Usually there is another company or agreement that groups these together so you can manage all your domains in one place.

        So anyways now you own a domain like “greatgatsby.sport”, what do you want to host? Mail at “mail.greatgatsby.sport”? A website at world wide web aka “www.greatgatsby.sport”? Up to you.

        Over time, largely by convention “www” became where you put your website.

        From there you have two options, you can setup a redirect from “http://greatgatsby.sport” to “http://www.greatgatsby.sport” or you can do a little hosting “trick” and just make “http://greatgatsby.sport” return your website.

        • tchotchony@mander.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          1 year ago

          So say I want a “.travel”, who actually makes and sells these? Is it a private company? A country? An independent entity who’s sole purpose it is to keep domains and the interwebs alive?

          • MimicJar@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            The last one, ICANN is the name of the organization. It’s reasonable to argue they are actually the first one. Also they are based in the US, so technically the country answer also apply. HOWEVER they are suppose to be independent.

            Also since you want “.travel” that’s a common enough word that it is probably already owned by an entity, so you would probably have to buy it from them.

            However let’s say you wanted “.tchotchony” which I feel confident saying doesn’t exist yet. As far as I know ICANN is not regularly taking applications for new TLDs, so you probably can’t have it. Although realistically if you have enough money, you can.

            • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              Well, it’s not just a money issue. There’s also the “are you knowledgeable, responsible, and have DNS engineers on staff” problem. If you own your own TLD, it means you can talk directly to the root zone. You could theoretically DDOS the root zone servers and cause them to crash. They would, of course, just revoke your TLD permanently & it wouldn’t really cause any noticeable disruption to the rest of the internet. You could also allow attack domains or shady websites. Maybe it could be used to pretend to be another site. Imagine owning “.conn” that would be a premium attack site TLD because it looks like “com”. There’s lots of other issues too.

        • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          Btw, .com is owned by the US Department of COMmerce. .org is owned by a non-profit organization called “Public Internet Registry”

      • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        To answer your other question: most likely, www.cakefarts.com is now accessible from cakefarts.com for one of three reasons:

        1. Your web browser automatically checks the A record “www” if “cakefarts.com” doesn’t have an A record. A records are the records in a DNS server that says “this domain goes here”
        2. The site cakefarts.com put their website on cakefarts.com and placed a CNAME record called “www” that points to cakefarts.com
        3. cakefarts.com has an APEX record that points to www.cakefarts.com

        For the ‘record’, www is just a really common record name. There’s nothing special about it. You could have dudebro.cakefarts.com or wwwwwww.cakefarts.com. It’s up to the domain owner.

      • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        22
        ·
        1 year ago

        An alternative DNS root is where someone other than IANA sets up a root zone. At the end of the day, root zone authority is technically not “hard coded”. It’s a terrible idea to set up an alt root or to use one for these reasons:

        1. Security. This is the biggest one. DNSSEC works via setting up Trust Anchors with the root zone and chaining down the tree all the way to the recursive DNS server. DNSSEC doesn’t work if anyone in there doesn’t have a trust anchor for the root zone. Additionally, if that root zone is untrustworthy, you can effectively have DNS poisoning happen at the root level. Imagine having two google.com’s based on which root zone (and therefore walking two separate trees) you ask.
        2. It encourages dividing the internet. The two largest Alt zones are Russia’s (RNDNS) and China’s (.chn). RNDNS exists as a continuity plan in case the rest of the world decides to cut them off of the internet. China’s is part of a hare-brained plan to “reinvent the internet under IPv9” (an idiotic plan that sounds even more crazy than Iran’s supposed “quantum computer”)
        3. Pointing to a different root zone can cause a lot of headaches for diagnosing DNS issues when they aren’t coming down from the same root zone. It can cause different answers (and a parallel tree).

        To answer your second question, they are not good for acting as a way to mitigate DNS failures. No domain servers are going to be asking them in the first place, meaning no one can get there even if it does have the “correct” answer. If all 13 root servers went down simultaneously, the results would be catastrophic. But that’s also why they’re physically located around the world in many different countries in heavily secure facilities with many High-Availability servers (clone servers that instantly take over if there’s a failure, the ultimate “hot” server)

        You wouldn’t want to have a DNS server ask two root zones anyway. If it can’t reach the root zones, then that needs to be addressed. You can’t just ask a “less secure” server in case the primary doesn’t work. That’s just begging for a security breach via cutting off access to the primary root zones so that they “fail over” to the less secure ones.

    • letsalllovelain@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      Hi! When DNS servers are launched, they have to be purchased, correct? So in this case, did Mali file for the domain to be reclaimed somehow? Do you have an idea how that might work?

      • toasteecup@lemmynsfw.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        I can answer this. The organization that says mali owns .ml gives the ownership country a lot of sway.

        So if the country of mali were to reach out formally to the organization and say “hey this domain violates our laws” they would take that very seriously and then work with the registrar & authoritative nameserver owner to handle the situation.

        I’m sure this isn’t 100% accurate but 90-95 based on my work in a web hosting company

        • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          It’s a little stronger than that. The country gets the final say on where the root zones point to when it comes to their assigned country code. Many countries employ private organizations to handle their TLD. They aren’t supposed to be paid for that though. (But it 1000% happens under the table)

    • starman@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      So, how some companies get right to sell TLDs? Can I start selling TLDs nowdays? It’s just that they were there first and get all top level domains and now we have to pay for it?

      Thanks in advance.

      • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        Companies don’t/can’t sell TLD’s. Only IANA can decide those. When the internet first started, .org, .net, .com etc. were handed out to non-profit organizations and the costs were purely to keep the servers running. Eventually though, when IANA decided to hand out country codes like .io (Indian Ocean), .cat (Catalonia) or .tv (Tuvalu), those countries rent their “desirable” names to private organizations that sell domain registrations for lots of money. In 2013, IANA decided to enact the gTLD auctions to help raise more money. Basically, if you wanted to (and had a lot of money & DNS engineers on staff), you could register any TLD you want provided you were willing to make a large donation to IANA. If someone else wanted it, they had to go into an action war over it. That’s how we ended up with things like .party or .sport or .world cough Now-a-days, if you want a TLD, you’d have to convince IANA to give you one… But good luck with that. They won’t give you one unless you’re some major corporation that can actually handle it. They also just don’t give them out. Usually it’s only when they really feel like more TLD’s are needed. It’s a very serious responsibility and mismanagement could accidentally DDOS a DNS root zone & impact the internet.

      • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        They don’t know unless the DNS server tells them. For example, a very popular webhost Akamai uses a complex DNS + web hosting suite (DNS edgesuit to be exact) to send that type of data to the web servers. It can also allow for many many other features.

    • anlumo@feddit.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      We had a situation at a shared space here where an OpenWRT client device accidentally somehow managed to announce itself into the network in a way that its v6 local link address (fe80::) got inserted into /etc/resolv.conf as a third DNS option (with the first two being the ones from DHCP) and then served incorrect records when queried. What mechanism is that and were the engineers who designed that feature on drugs? Also, how can I tell my Linux system to not accept such announcements?

    • widdle@lemmynsfw.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      How does the TLD get reclaimed? I’m assuming whoever was previously the “owner” of the .ml tld was on board and Mali didn’t just come along and snatch it away?

      • grandkaiser@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        So here’s the thing about TLD’s, ownership of them is determined by IANA (Internet Assigned Numbers Authority). They’re basically my career’s gods. If they tell me to jump, I ask “how high”. They control the DNS root zone. Effectively, that’s the actual top-level of ALL domains. If they decide to remove a TLD or reassign it, all you can do is lodge a complaint straight to their shredder. They’re owned and operated by ICANN, a non-profit organization.

        Back in 2013, Mali allowed a private Netherlands company to “manage” (rent) their TLD, .ML Recently, that company (Freenom) got sued by Meta. Even though I don’t really like Meta, as a network engineer, I don’t like Freenom even more. They turn a blind eye to bad actors on the internet, refuse to investigate hackers/scammers/DDOSers, and generally refuse to play ball. They are a huge pain in the ass. Due to the lawsuit, IANA reassigned ML to Mali since they asked for it. At the end of the day you “cant” sell a country-level TLD. Mali was renting it to Freenom under the table. This happens a lot and IANA usually just looks the other way. .io for example is the freakin’ Indian Ocean.

        So yeah, Mali didn’t “snatch” it. They just asked IANA to reassign it and there isn’t shit Freenom can do about it since they never “really” owned it in the first place.

  • LordShrek@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    27
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 year ago

    this is why instances should be abstracted away as underlying infrastructure and the users don’t have to think about “instances”. accounts and communities are replicated across servers.

    • shrugal@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      1 year ago

      This is not the solution! Being able to pick a server to trust your data and content moderation with is a feature, not a bug.

      What we do have to do is make this feature more resilient and easier to use. Like adding the ability to easily transfer accounts and communities between instances, or even change the domain name of an entire instance.

      • LordShrek@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        no, you’re misunderstanding. that shouldn’t be how it works. there shouldn’t be any difference between the software on each instance such that it make your data insecure. this is how bitcoin works. this is why anyone can spin up a bitcoin instance and have it start contributing to the bitcoin blockchain and you as a user don’t have to “trust” that particular node. trust is built into the distributed software architecture. you don’t “choose” a set of bitcoin nodes. you don’t “choose” your CDN or DNS servers.

        • shrugal@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Cryptocurrencies and social platforms are completely different beasts. In crypto I want no moderation/censorship, I want anonymity, and there is a payout system so nodes can compete for something. This is all different when building a social network, so you can’t just use the same architecture. Building social structures and trust is desirable in a public forum, not something you want to get rid of.

          • LordShrek@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            This is all different when building a social network

            wait you want censorship in a social network? also, the architecture i’m describing does not do away with moderation and social structure. what about it makes you think that to be the case?

            • shrugal@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              Of course! Moderation is censorship. There is certain content I don’t want to see, and I don’t want to have to filter it myself so I join a community of seemingly likeminded people who censor content based on rules I generally agree with. They ban users who break the rules, keep spambots out, block malicious instances and so on, and if they are doing their job right then it builds trust and attracts more people.

              what about it makes you think that to be the case?

              Because you want to strip all that out and abstract it away. Who do you think would do the moderating and spam blocking? Who aggregates posts from all over the world and presents a sorted list to a user on their smartphone? It would be the wild west with users having to do everything themselves. I know it’s tempting to think about building a Fediverse without instances, but afaik you need these social structures for the system to work.

              Crypto for example only works because you can define the rules mathematically beforehand, and then hand out money for computers to check them. That’s just not possible with a public forum, at least not yet imo.

              • LordShrek@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                you want to strip all that out

                i do not want to strip out the functionality of communities having mods that moderate the discourse and ban malicious users etc. it sounds like you misunderstood what i was proposing.

                • shrugal@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  What I’m saying is that you cannot do those features with what you’re proposing, regardless of what you might want to do.

    • nefonous@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      1 year ago

      There are a few technical problems with that. First of all, the cost of each instance would become quickly unbearable since everyone has all the duplicated data.

      Second problem, a malign entity could just come, create its own instance, spam everything and everyone with ads or whatever and suddenly every instance is full of that stuff. Also, how do you handle defederating in that case?

      What has been proposed before instead was to make some kind of mega communities that gather all posts from communities with the same name across instances

      • LordShrek@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        everyone has all the duplicated data.

        everyone does not have all the duplicated data. they only have the data that they need – the data requested by a user who happens to be using some instance.

        handling defederating is a good point. there could be malicious nodes that would be damaging to the network. i suppose there could be a community-mainted ledger of known malicious nodes (similar to minecraft usernames of known hackers), and the admins of the servers would maintain a blacklist. (obviously you configure that your instance’s blacklist would be automatically synced with this ledger)

        the mega community idea could be good. where is this being discussed?

    • weirdwallace75@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      I don’t want to share an instance with the nutballs on the tankie instance or the nutballs on the fascist instance.

      • LordShrek@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        to expound:

        the tankie instance or the nutballs on the fascist instance

        here you reveal a conceptual misunderstanding, or rather, a part of the lemmy architecture which i disagree with. there shouldn’t be a concept of a “interest X instance” etc. it should be similar to a distributed storage model. so the concept of a community is not per-instance, it’s just an abstract thing that exists in conceptual space.

        • weirdwallace75@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          I’m aware of how you think it should work (Usenet, basically) but how does moderation actually work on Lemmy? Can someone be banned from a sublemmy on one instance and not banned from it on another?

      • LordShrek@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        you already share water with them though. how is this any different? more seriously though, you already share internet infrastructure with them. the packets you just sent to make that comment could have been sandwiched between a “tankie” and a “fascist nutball”. that’s just the way it is man, there have always been crazy humans.

    • amenji@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      1 year ago

      This was my thought as well. Before learning more about the fediverse, I thought things are distributed and are replicated across servers (much like how distributed storage and computing works). But apparently they’re not. You still have to choose which instance you want to use as your “home”, and your data and your contents stays in your home. Others get to look at your profile and contents thanks to ActivityPub.

      I understand the needs for multiple instances (i.e., preferences for moderating concents, governance, etc.) But shouldn’t the users and the user generated contents (arguably fediverse’s valuable resources) should be safe-guarded by having redundancies in place across multiple instances?

      Has there any work or effort on this?

      • LordShrek@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        I thought things are distributed and are replicated across servers (much like how distributed storage and computing works)

        yes, exactly! when you use the internet, you don’t manually choose which ISPs to route through. you can pick which DNS servers to use but you don’t have to. when you use youtube, netflix, or facebook, you don’t choose which CDNs to use.

  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    22
    ·
    1 year ago

    the argument for .ml domain has always been absurd to begin with. So it’s free but the price you pay is that it’s being run by Mali. I’d just drop 8$/year tbh, that’s not a hill you want to die for. Also you harm your project by being SEO punished for using spam-associated TLDs like this. One of the reasons original Lemmy took so long to adopt until Reddit’s API drama. Pretty dumb ngl.

    • Wispy2891@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      1 year ago

      If i remember right it was also “free to register but insanely expensive to renew once they start to see traffic”

      • steltek@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        1 year ago

        Renewal costs are my primary consideration when picking domains. Subscription fees is how your money disappears when you’re not looking.

        • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Anyone know how companies get the rights to domains to sell in the first place? Do they literally submit a list of all domains to ICANN or something? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I just never understood how any of this really works.

          • steltek@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            1 year ago

            TLD - Top Level Domain (.com .ml .whatever)

            Registrar - NameCheap, PorkBun, etc. Submits your domain.TLD request to a Registry

            Registry - Maintains the list of domains for a specific TLD and the server infrastructure to run the TLD

            ICANN - Decides who can be a Registry and for which TLD. Not involved in the nitty gritty of individual domain names.

          • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            ICANN hands out top-level domains (TLDs - such as .com, .org and .ml), either to organisations or government agencies. They, in turn, hand out secondary domains to companies or regional organisations. For example, the TLD .jp belongs to the Japanese government and is operated by an agency called Japan Registry Services. In turn, it hand out the .tokyo.jp secondary domain to the Tokyo Metropolitan government. They, in turn, manage domains for various departments, wards, etc.

            But individuals and businesses in Tokyo can also use the .tokyo TLD, which is owned by a private company called GMO Internet Group. And of course anyone can use .com or .org, although you may have tp pay a pretty big fee.

  • Rob T Firefly@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 year ago

    Link to the actual post OP screenshotted: https://very.bignutty.xyz/notes/9hf13it1ced3b2za

    Screenshots of text are not the way. The crappy “hey, a text thing I want to share, let me take an accessibility-poisoning screenshot and upload that graphic file like a psychopath instead of just copy/pasting either the link to the text or the text itself like a decent human being” routine needs to die with Reddit, we have to be better than that here.

    • phx@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      1 year ago

      Screenshots of text preserve the state of the text at the time it was seen…

      Yes, it’s not good for accessibility but it’s a good way to quickly capture a moment in time.

      (I would recommend perhaps also copy/pasting a synopsis for people who might be vision impaired etc)

        • phx@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          That’s kinda what I was saying? Include the snapshot but also the original text body as a copy/paste for those using screen-readers or other such tools

      • Phlogiston@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Also, modern tools are getting pretty good at dealing with text embedded in images. It isn’t ideal but this partially mitigates a large concern (accessibility). Rather than complaining about people taking screenshots maybe pressure should be placed on the screenshot tools, and image formats, to better capture the raw text exactly and embed it as extra data along with the image.

    • Jeena@jemmy.jeena.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Screenshots stay with time, I hate it when I arrive a bit later and the link is already dead and I have no idea what it said.

      • Cyyy@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        …except when the image hoster suddenly dies and 10000s of Screenshots suddenly vanish from the internet and all howto’s etc are killed by it

        • Jeena@jemmy.jeena.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          That’s why you shouldn’t use external image hosters but embed the picture the normal way. Then if the lemmy instance dies then the screenshot dies with it but not seperatelly.

          • Cyyy@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            well, often webprojects don’t have that much money and hosting communitys who post a lot of images, videos etc. costs a lot of money. because that a lot of users use imagehosters to bypass this issue.

        • Obi@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          Image in the post, text+link in the description, everyone happy.

      • hypelightfly@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Copy/pasted text stays with time too and doesn’t have the issues that pictures of text do. Also hosted images disappear all the time.

      • Rob T Firefly@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        And then play that video on your screen, take a video of that screen with your phone while shaking the phone around and mumbling over the audio, and upload that phone video to TikTok.

        • Hyphlosion@donphan.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Let the bodies hit the floor. Let the bodies hit the floor. Let the bodies hit the floor. Let the bodies hit the…

          *Takes deep breath*

      • Rob T Firefly@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        So copy/paste the text, and link the original.

        In the case of this post, the ability to go to the original and learn the further info added by the author in subsequent posts is of use.

              • Rob T Firefly@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                1 year ago

                No, but everyone can access and read that in their own choice of viewing tech without problem, even on very large or very small monitors, even through automatic translation apps, even in an audio screen reader or a braille interface.

                An important part of the fuel of the exodus from Reddit to here was Reddit deliberately shitting on users who happen to have special accessibility needs. Lemmy - the software and the user community - needs to be better than that to earn its place as rightful successor.

          • jackoneill@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            We should copy paste the text, post a screenshot as an attachment, and a link, and then carve the screenshot into a stone tablet to be put on display in the basement of the british national history museum

            holy shit guys, just post the data however the fuck is easiest

    • whoamibro@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Accessibility should be enhanced to read text from image. Enduser shouldn’t care about how he should share an information. How hard is it to read a font from a text?

        • whoamibro@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          If the source is already in text (perfectly accessible), why should we make an image out of it? That’s like saying let’s email a document, but instead of the original doc file, let’s print them out, scan, and then send the pdf of those images instead.

          That is not a correct analogy because printing and scanning a document is less convenient than just forwarding the email. But here, most people are comfortable taking a ss and share it. That’s what they’re learnt. So they keep doing that.

          My man, you just don’t know how crappy OCR can be with non-latin alphabet writing systems, especially Chinese characters.

          That’s why the OCR tools have to be improved. They should atleast be able to read the top 10 most used fonts in a language without issues.

  • httpjames@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    14
    ·
    1 year ago

    I don’t understand why they went with free domains in the first place. Freenom is known for being unreliable.

  • cakeistheanswer@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    8
    ·
    1 year ago

    Well kinda feels like my house burned down.

    Hopefully the push towards some kind of direct migration comes on the feels of this.

  • MadeFreshDaily@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    ·
    1 year ago

    I’m new to the fediverse and not sure how it works just yet. Can someone help me understand? My account was created on Lemmy.ml, will it no longer work and I’ll have to make another?

    • TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      I would make a lemmy world account personally, it’s tough to say what will happen long term with .ml domains. Even if your account still works, it may by hampered getting posts from the rest of the fediverse. Worst case scenario you have account on two popular lemmy instances.

      • SaveComengs@lemmy.federa.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        I wouldn’t bother with world honestly, it’s the “main” instance now so it gets targeted a lot, I prefer sh.itjust.works for that reason.

    • edythecullen@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      My “main” account is on .ml but I went ahead and made an account on another instance just in case. It couldn’t hurt imo.

    • angrystego@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      16
      ·
      1 year ago

      Are you aware that ml in lemmy.ml stands for marxism-leninism and that the admins of your instance don’t support any critique of the chinese government? I’m asking because I think a lot of new users chose lemmy.ml randomly - mostly because it was big - and if they knew this, many of them would have chosen differently.

      • MadeFreshDaily@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        I had no clue. I was just tired of Reddit and when looking into Lemmy the .ml one came up first in the search. Guess I get to make a new one somewhere else.

        • Fisch@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          14
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          They chose .ml because it was free. They don’t delete comments just because they don’t agree with them. I don’t get why some people feel the need to spread lies about the lemmy devs/lemmy.ml admins just for being in favour of communism.

          • GONADS125@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            11
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            The claim about .ml meaning that is about as dumb as people saying AC/DC means anti-christ devil-child…

            But lemmy.ml absolutely removed posts criticizing china. They also made their beliefs very clear. It wasn’t lemmygrad… but they would absolutely censor anti-china rhetoric, and had many brainwashed or Chinese troll accounts.

            They even started censoring certain words on lemmy.ml, including “bitch.” I’m not okay with that…

            I think the majority of users were normal people who randomly ended up there. But just because this one claim is silly, it doesn’t detract from very real issues that existed there.

      • kissland@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        no one would, because people who already get it act like any of this makes sense

        there’s waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much nerding out over how it works, “federating”, and being open instead of being user friendly.

        wants to compete with reddit, but its accessibility on a big scale is near 0 with the current approach

        • wutBEE@lemmy.wutbee.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          1 year ago

          Really had high hopes for Lemmy after coming over from Reddit, but the active community here is just so busy jerking off about being federated and banning threads.

  • Gamey@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    1 year ago

    The domain bs is a interesting case of scummy practices in general, .tv was missused in a similar way with awful contracts, essentially scamming a already increadably poor country!

    • anlumo@feddit.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      1 year ago

      TLDs are a non-tangible arrangement of characters that are defined by a committee at a whim. The countries they are given to have not contributed anything to make them worth more. I don’t see how that can be seen as a scam when they don’t get free money based on a random decision by someone outside of their country.

      • Gamey@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        That’s not actually true, the guy who made them originally was from the west and those countries didn’t contribute because they had no chance of any digital infrastructure yet but top level country domains use caracters from the correspinding countries name and those are all determind in the same way so you essentially use their name without their permission or based on scetchy and scummy legally binding agreements!

        • Takumidesh@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          If you tried to trademark any of these tlds, it would fail horribly.

          TV, ML, IO etc are literally just two letter combinations and they are descriptive by nature. There is no real way to claim ownership on just two letters, especially when they have an accepted understanding as being geographically descriptive.

          If you could do this, concepts such as maps would also be infringement.

          Additionally, the IANA is who is in charge of assigning TLDs, which is in turn controlled by ICANN. IANA gets to appoint trustees for country code TLDs and has the authority to take that control back.

          IANA is based in the United States(though it has stakeholders globally) and has the authority to revoke TLD (unlikely to happen, but well within their rights and control) and more likely, to re delegate control to another authority, if they found the currently appointed trustee to be abusing the control of the TLD.

    • abbotsbury@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      1 year ago

      Didn’t Tuvalu massively benefit from being assigned a TLD that is popular? I read they were able to build an airport with .tv money

      • ProfezzorDarke@feddit.de
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        1 year ago

        They reclaimed many domain rights and are now renting them out for big money, yeah. They were still scammed off by many.

      • Gamey@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Yea, they managed to get it back at some point but it was under external control with close to no benefit for them for a long time!

    • damnYouSun@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      There is also .io for the Indian Ocean territories. They seem to be fine with it. It is interesting they have problem with it. I wonder what the actual motivation is, because it can’t be due to a lack of viable domain for businesses.

      • Gamey@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        The US and UK build a military base and established it with that ages ago so I am not surprised the current population is fine with it but they expelled the original population to do so! :/

    • Ddhuud@lemmynsfw.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      It’s one of the 5 TLD (now 4 I guess) that are free. The others being .tk, .ga, .cf and .gq

      We need free TLDs.

    • RFBurns@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      I wonder if it was done on purpose after it came out that the Pentagon had typo’d “.ml” instead of ‘.mil’ and exposed a lot of sensitive emails…

      • 100@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        Highly doubtful much of anything majorly sensitive got leaked. Firstly even unclassified DoD emails are encrypted by default. Secondly anything classified isn’t even on a network that can talk to normal email, it’s either 100% point to point encrypted or on an airgapped network. If I hopped on SIPR (DoD Secret-level internet) and emailed a normal email address it simply wouldn’t work.

        • AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          That doesn’t stop somebody from being an idiot and mentioning something classified in clearnet communications. Never underestimate the power of stupidity.

        • killa44@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Ehhhhh, you’re missing the human element. Humans do dumb shit all the time. You can’t stop someone from reading something with their eyeballs, remembering it in their meat brain, and using their sausage fingers to type it back into something unsecured. Odds are still low of course, but I wouldn’t be so confident.

  • db2@lemmy.one
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    1 year ago

    This brings a disturbing thought to mind… if an instance domain name like foo.bar lapses and someone else snaps the domain up (or of it gets stolen) can the new controller plop Lemmy on a server and be instantly federated? If so what kind of damage could they do?

      • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        That’s an assumption that lemmy will quit federating with a server that does not match.

        And what signature are we talking about anyway? Is not certificates…

        • Wander@yiffit.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          1 year ago

          Activitypub signatures that each user and group sends out their messages with.

              • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.com
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                So looking at that spec… Nothing there is validation that current messages originate from an “original” server…

                I don’t think either of these signature options for Server to Server communications means that my current lemmy.saik0.com instance can’t be torn down (delete LXC container) and reconfigured as a brand new instance (New LXC container) and other instances wouldn’t know that there’s been a change to the instance running here… or more accurately would flag a change. I think these signatures are all about not being able to spoof OTHER instances. eg, lemmy.ml can’t send messages on behalf of lemmy.world.

                • priapus@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  I assumed that once federated the public key would be remembered and signatures that do not match it would be handled, but you may be correct. I do wonder whether this could be a problem as instances close down over time. I’ll have to spend some more time researching to see if there’s a more clear answer, or if any ActivityPub implementations have their own way of handling that situation.

    • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      This is why you don’t let your domain registration lapse. It’s not the only way computers on the internet verify each other’s identity, but a hell of a lot of internet security features are based around domain names, so keeping yours functioning is a very big deal.

      • finn@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Domain registration ≠ internet security. Root of trust is in cryptographic keys, not domains. DNS is not the security cornerstone you make it out to be. PKI says hi!

        • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Email is tied to domains. TLS is tied to domains. CORS is tied to domains. OAuth is tied to domains. Those are just four things I can think of while half asleep. Here’s one recent example of how screwing up a domain name is enough by itself to cause a security breach.

          Cryptography is not security any more than domain names are; both are facets of how security is implemented but there’s no one system that makes the Internet secure.

        • redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Consider how many system relies on being able to send you an email for verifying your login and performing password reset. Those who have control over your email address domain can trigger password reset for most of online services out there. Imagine if Google forgot to renew gmail.com and it falls to a wrong hands.

    • hemmes@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      ICANN has an Expired Registration Recovery Policy (ERRP) that requires your registrar to give your domain a 30-day grace period before deleting the records. ERRP also requires them to shutdown your DNS resolutions 8 days before deletion.

      You’d have to be really mismanaging your domain if you miss all the required email reminders and don’t notice your domain has been non functional for a couple of days.

  • hitagi (ani.social)@ani.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Out of curiosity, other than fmhy.ml, lemmy.ml, and lemmygrad.ml, what other Lemmy instances were using .ml domains? Also, how are the latter two still running but fmhy.ml isn’t?

    edit: This has triggered a chain of comments I wasn’t expecting. I’d appreciate it if someone can answer on a technical level. Is the latter two using a different registrar or name server which is why it still works for them?

          • gelberhut@lemdro.id
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            Yes, but as discussed several times here and there Lemmy Devs are pro china and anti USA and they admin lemmy.lm. in this case LM stays for Marxism Leninism.

          • hemmes@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            1 year ago

            Hey now, what’s with all the logic and stuff. We only allowing jumping to conclusions around these parts, you should know better than that.

            /s

            • sciawp@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              It’s not jumping to conclusions; it’s actually pretty well-known. The devs and their instance are very open about being Marxist-Leninists.

              I don’t see how machine learning is related to Lemmy in any way

              • hemmes@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                Okay, fair enough. So…we getting back to Lemmy now?

                Edit:

                It really is an interesting social experiment when talking in neutral tones about people with communist beliefs. So I said are we getting back to Lemmy now and I get a battering of downvotes, okay I struck a nerve, but why? I’m pretty “far left” in my beliefs but we are all here aren’t we?

                It’s just interesting to see people say “well you can change instances!” Yeah, but the devs are still the devs - just because they’re not running those instances doesn’t mean they’re not the father or grandfather of those alternate instances. So your beliefs make you take a stance on the instance you choose, but not the software? How do you reconcile that?

                As far as the developers go, I think they created a great piece of software, but I trust the open source community to vet like they always do with all open source software, let’s see where this goes. I think the developers want to see the world in a way that just isn’t compatible with our current evolutionary state. They stated that they have their beliefs, and what they expect of their communities is kindness, and consideration towards others. So far, I’m good with that.

                I mean, the concepts of Marxism are actually quite noble. But there’s no doubt about it. The system fails because the people never end up in control, it simply doesn’t work. I just feel these devs simply live in the clouds too much and are not grounded in reality. I’m not sure how old they are, but they may not have lived enough life to realize we’re not a people evolved enough to support a true balanced socialist lifestyle - the best we can do is try to interject social programs into our capitalist lifestyle, as it is today, to fill the gaps that a capitalist society leaves behind.

        • someguy3@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          I’m going to have to make a copy paste for this:

          .ml stands for Mali.

          .ee stands for Estonia.

          .tv stands for Tuvalu

          Just like .ca stands for Canada.

          • Madbrad200@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            this is technically true, but it’s not why lemmygrad, ran by full on communists, chose the .ml tld

              • icyjiub@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                1 year ago

                It’s funny you’re getting down votes for this. ML was literally created as the official formulation of Marxism & Leninism for the USSR by Stalin.

                • boredtortoise@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Reactionary Stalin/China/etc stans try to frame themselves as communists and don’t like it when it’s called out. They’re like qanonists with a different cult leader.

            • kautau@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              Which ironically, is now failing due to the fault of those in power of that TLD. The fediverse needs to be careful with tld’s they choose. ICAAN exists, but it’s obvious that some domain power is delegated and therefore safer TLDs should be chosen

              • hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                Honestly this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think this literally down to bad luck and this is nothing we have to be prepare for anymore than any other host. Which is an incredibly small amount. It’s not like this shit happens often as there would be a lot of news coverage around it considering the amount of big companies affected, and I frankly think this is very low on the list of priorities of things that lemmy has to keep in mind or address at some point.

                • sciawp@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  I can’t believe someone else is having the exact same conversation with the exact same person as me

          • Sentrovasi@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            Yes, it stands for Mali, no, it’s not why lemmygrad used the domain name. Do you think all the services like Grammarly and Bitly are all Libyan services as well? Because I’ve got news that may just blow your mind.

            Please stop copy-pasting ignorance.

          • gelberhut@lemdro.id
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Yes. Check (Google) esses in GitHub of one of Lemmy Devs, check official Lemmy creation history, check Reddit post announcing lemyy creation.

            This topic was discussed multiple times here and there.

            • couragethebravedog@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              Alright, thanks. I’ll look around. I don’t have a problem with it if that’s why they chose ml, I just want to know for sure before I told anyone that. Some people get up in arms about socialism.

                • TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  1 year ago

                  Okay, but.
                  Are they Marxist-Leninist? Pro-China? Socialists? Anti-capitalists? Looks like: yes.
                  Was the whole thing founded on the grounds of free, shared things and anti-corporate thinking? Also yes.
                  Do we absolutely know for sure that the ML domain was chosen because of this? No, because the above sources (or any source I ever saw) confirms or denies this claim. (If there is something specifically about the TLD, please share with me.)

                  I’m not saying it stands for Machine Learning. I’m not saying it stands for My Love or Mah Lord. But I also wouldn’t say that it for sure stands for Marxist-Leninist. We can assume, but we don’t know for sure. Maybe it’s because it’s free, maybe it sounds cool, maybe it’s Maybelline. We don’t know this specific aspect of the story. (As far as I’m aware.)

        • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          That’s not true at all. ML was used as an idiological choice as it’s the only free TLD you can get and you should not have to pay for a domain name as per Lemmy’s creators ideology.

          • sciawp@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            That’s not true. There are a few other free TLDs. I think five total?

      • sciawp@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        I think it’s because ML is a popular shorthand for ‘Marxist-Leninist’ since they mostly seem to be communist servers

        • someguy3@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          .ml stands for Mali.

          .ee stands for Estonia.

          .tv stands for Tuvalu

          Just like .ca stands for Canada.

          • EnglishMobster@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            You are technically correct, but surely you must know at this point that’s not at all how domains are used on the internet. Bit.ly isn’t hosted or affiliated with Libya.

            And if you ever doubted that the maintainers of Lemmy are tankies, well have I got a post from you, from the horse’s mouth:

            https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cqgztr/fuck_the_white_supremacist_reddit_admins_want_me/

            https://web.archive.org/web/20230626055233/https://old.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cqgztr/fuck_the_white_supremacist_reddit_admins_want_me/

            Hey all, longtime Marxist-leninist, recorder of left audiobooks, and megathread shitposter here.

            Posting this in light of a recent one week Reddit ban I earned for shitting on US police, as I’m sure many of us have gotten in recent weeks.

            So I’ve spent the past few months working on a self hostable, federated, Reddit alternative called Lemmy, and it’s pretty much ready to go. Unlike here we’d have ultimate control over all content, and would never have to self censor.

            Obviously as communists, we agitate where the people are, so we should never abandon Reddit entirely, but it’s been clear to all of us from day one, that communities like this stand on unsteady ground, and could be banned or quarantined at any moment by the white supremacist Reddit admins. This would be both a backup and a potentially better alternative. Moderation abilities are there, as well as a slur filter.

            Raddle isn’t an option obviously since it’s run by this arch anti tankie scum, ziq.

            I wanted to ask ppl here if they’d like me to host an instance, and mod all the current mods here.

            The instance that post mentions at the end became Lemmygrad. Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad are the same people. They chose “.ml” because they are Marxist-Leninists. They first advertised on /r/communism and that post outright states they’re Marxist-Leninists.

            Thinking they chose .ml because they really like Mali is absolutely ridiculous.

            • redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              A while ago Libya suddenly requires all companies that use .ly domain to have a presence in Libya or have their domain reclaimed by the government. bit.ly (and other internet startups that use .ly domains back then) suddenly found themselves in a precarious position. It was pretty hilarious as .ly TLD was hip back then.

              • sciawp@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                I’ve never felt that country TLDs were worth using and this has only cemented that opinion for me

          • sciawp@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            1 year ago

            Thanks, I know what it stands for but I am trying to explain why that particular top-level domain was picked for those lemmy instances

          • xedrak@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Hey, I didn’t quite get it. Can you copy and paste this reply a few times more? Thanks.

        • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          It’s not anonymous. In fact because it’s free it requires more data to prevent someone from acquiring all of the domain names.

    • hemmes@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      I know a ton about DNS and its technical functionality, not necessarily the regulations guiding registrars, but the technician in me says your TTL (how long other servers wait until asking where xyz.ml points to) hasn’t expired, maybe? Perhaps the government administration process simply hasn’t executed any action against those particular registrars yet?

      I never liked TLDs that are from random islands or less than stable countries and there are so many great TLDs available now, I simply don’t see the reason to use such obscure TLDs just for the marketing factor.

      • Gork@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        I never liked TLDs that are from random islands

        I remember reading somewhere that Tuvalu gets like 10% of their entire yearly income from Twitch.

        I now pronounce Twitch as Twitch dot Tuvalu, but I get weird "huh?"s when I say it like that.

      • hitagi (ani.social)@ani.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Thanks for answering. I figured it was a registrar thing. How bad do you think the situation will be for other .ml domains?

        I’m guessing fmhy.ml was using Freenom but lemmy.ml and lemmy.ml were using a different domain registrar, hence the situation right now.

        • hemmes@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          Yeah, not a good situation.

          The main story I found seems to indicate that many government communications have been misdirected due to the typo of .ml instead of the intended .mil - reserved for the US military. 🤦‍♂️ There has been an entrepreneur that holds the contract to manage Mali’s country domain and that’s expiring Monday (24th?). I’m assuming the government is not renewing the contract and will instead be taking over the domains and any related data. He has been collecting some of that data and warning the US government about the issue to no avail…for 10 years.

          Control of the .ML domain will revert on Monday from Zuurbier to Mali’s government, which is closely allied with Russia. When Zuurbier’s 10-year management contract expires, Malian authorities will be able to gather the misdirected emails. The Malian government did not respond to requests for comment.

          Their contents include X-rays and medical data, identity document information, crew lists for ships, staff lists at bases, maps of installations, photos of bases, naval inspection reports, contracts, criminal complaints against personnel, internal investigations into bullying, official travel itineraries, bookings, and tax and financial records.

          ICANN is the body responsible for the gTLD initiative, which gives you names like .social and .world. They are an American non-profit with a multinational committee, handling nearly all of the databases that store our Internet address records, etc., you can be relatively assured that your domain won’t be messed with.

          The instances really have no option here than to test out moving their systems to an alternative domain and “bench test” their migration to discover a path that works or a least come to the conclusion to start all over.