Indeed, but it’s understandably a super high amount compared to what we get. If you’re in good shape, you get way more money. If not, you probably get (a lot) less.
Right. For perspective, I once paid $200 for a single Xray (needed 3, total $600, not counting the doctors bill). And that’s with health insurance.
If you have to go to urgent care, expect to pay close to $1000 for simple needs, much higher than that for more complex needs. An ambulance ride can cost upwards of $5000, and an airlift is several times that.
So better not be too much into sports, or trauma will drain your bank account.
Then you add the complete absence of consumers rights and little to no oversight on industrial activity. Lead and PFA poisoned water, food additives that are banned in most of the developed world, sugar in everything,… It’s near impossible not to get sick here.
And a 80k$ salary in France amounts to around 125k$ cost for the employer.
So 170k$ isn’t that much - I actually know French developers and network engineers that make similar money.
The French ITsec architect I interviewed last year would have cost me (converted) around 150k$.
So 170k$ is absolutely not out of the normal range here.
Talking about France: The French government could start to properly support matrix.org as they use it for tChap. The same goes for Germany with the “Behördenmessenger”
170k for running a company? Shit. I wouldn’t do that. You can make just as much being a halfway competent developer, and it’s way less stress.
It must not be that stressful if you have $170k leftover to pay yourself.
Most people work more stressful jobs for considerably less. We should stop giving CEOs a pass.
This shouldn’t need to be said, but most people are useful idiots so here we are.
You’re missing the point. There are easier jobs in the same industry for the same pay.
We’re not comparing tech CEO to roofers. We’re comparing them to other people in tech.
Uhh, no.
This is directly the point: Most people work more stressful jobs for considerably less. We should stop giving CEOs a pass.
Oh, and don’t forget about this one!
I guess you live in the USA? No one makes this amount of money
A Senior Developer in any major city makes that amount of money.
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/senior-developer-salary-SRCH_KO0,16.htm
Just looked on that link for the UK. The average is listed as £63k, which is $85k.
So you’re not exactly disproving the point that that type of high salary is a US thing.
Funnily enough, it shows the localised amount.
For me in France it shows 50k€ to 69k€, so $58k to $80k at current exchange rates
It just confirms that this is USA only haha
Btw glassdoor sucks. Forces you to have an account and register work shit
You can’t just look at the exchange rate. You have to look at cost and standard of living.
Someone in the US making 100k is not doing as well as someone in France making 70k€
80k plus all of society’s trappings of France. Dude, it’s not even a comparison. Worker’s rights, healthcare, public transit, safety, security…
Indeed, but it’s understandably a super high amount compared to what we get. If you’re in good shape, you get way more money. If not, you probably get (a lot) less.
Good shape? I think something got lost in translation.
I meant good health, no (mental) illness, no medical treatment, already have somewhere to live…
Right. For perspective, I once paid $200 for a single Xray (needed 3, total $600, not counting the doctors bill). And that’s with health insurance.
If you have to go to urgent care, expect to pay close to $1000 for simple needs, much higher than that for more complex needs. An ambulance ride can cost upwards of $5000, and an airlift is several times that.
So better not be too much into sports, or trauma will drain your bank account.
Then you add the complete absence of consumers rights and little to no oversight on industrial activity. Lead and PFA poisoned water, food additives that are banned in most of the developed world, sugar in everything,… It’s near impossible not to get sick here.
And a 80k$ salary in France amounts to around 125k$ cost for the employer. So 170k$ isn’t that much - I actually know French developers and network engineers that make similar money. The French ITsec architect I interviewed last year would have cost me (converted) around 150k$.
So 170k$ is absolutely not out of the normal range here.
Talking about France: The French government could start to properly support matrix.org as they use it for tChap. The same goes for Germany with the “Behördenmessenger”
If that’s the amount the company pays, then yea. If this is the amount the employee receives, then that’s a lot. Like really.