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Tesla Identified As Most Recalled Car Brand, Mercedes & Toyota Least::iSeeCars used NHTSA’s list of recalls from 2014-2023 to learn which of today’s cars are expected to have the most recalls over an expected 30-year lifespan.
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Yeah only with a Tesla you don’t have to drive to a Tesla shop and wait for an hour or even days, you get an OTA update.
It be better if they distinguished between both types of recall, it appears they are grouped together.
That’s not a benefit really. What if they send a bad update.
If they could fix these issues via OTA then they wouldn’t be forced to do physical recalls. They’ve had windshields fly out of their frames at highway speed, steering wheels come off, catastrophic lower ball joint separation, vehicles leaving their factory with missing brake pads…software updates only take you so far
steering wheels come off
Plus they have enough room for mother-in-law. Elon has no good car ideas
Yeah there’s definitely been some aggregious recall issues, but the problem is the stats include minor things that only required a quick OTA, so it skews the numbers awkwardly and means we can’t properly judge the real problems they had
If they separated the numbers, we might see that either Tesla has very few real recalls, Tesla actually does have a lot of real recalls but also happens to have software ones, or it’s about normal
And without separating all we can do is guess
People keep forgetting that every recall is a fix for a bug/problem in the car. Sure, Tesla’s fixes might be easier, but that also means they have the buggier car. Until Tesla actually fixes the problem, it doesn’t matter how easy it is to fix: you still have to deal with the fallout.
That’s even more immensely true for safety-critical systems like cars. Sure, Tesla’s fix for phantom braking might eventually come and it might be an easy software fix. But wouldn’t you just rather get a car without that problem?
They follow the fail fast principle. They’ve innovated faster than anyone else. So to me, it seems intentional. Still scares the crap out of me and is one reason I don’t want one.
Two and a half years with my Model 3. The only issue I’ve had is that my frunk sensor died, so the car thought the frunk was open, which I could override and tell it that it wasn’t.
Tesla sent a mobile tech to my office, they replaced it while I was working, and didn’t charge me a thing.
Same thing with my Model S.
Used the app to submit a ticket, was kept updated on chat with the tech from the very beginning to the end of the whole thing.
Tech comes out to my house and does a computer upgrade and courtesy filter change right in my garage while I sipped coffee in sweats.
The whole thing was covered under warranty and free. People like to hate on Tesla just by association, but I’m pretty old now by internet standards, I’ve had a lot of cars and dealt with a lot of manufacturers, and Tesla was hands down the best car repair experience of my life.
Even the luxury brands I owned which would offer valet and massages in the lobby still suck compared to comfortably sipping coffee in my own house.
Honest question here, would you purchase your Tesla again? I’m in the market for a new car and am really considering an EV. The problem is, I need something with some utility, such as a Model Y, a Rivian, or an F150 Lightning.
The Rivian and the Lightning are out of my price range. The Model Y is more affordable. But I have reservations about Tesla both from a quality control standpoint and from a social standpoint (it being a Musk company).
I have zero regrets with my purchase. I’m told the new Ys are much nicer than ones from even just last year. I have 45k miles on my Model 3, the only thing I’ve had issues with is the frunk sensor. Depending on how you drive, you might find yourself needing tires sooner rather than later, but I got 35k miles out of my OEM tires. The only thing I told people to consider was price, but if you can take advantage of the tax credit, it’s a no brained nowadays.
I also have an F150 Lightning for what it’s worth, it’s a great vehicle, but it’s much dumber than my Tesla is.
The only reason I’m wanting to get rid of my Model 3 is because I want a full sized sedan or crossover again.
A defect is a defect. How it gets repaired does not make it not a defect. The point is that tesla’s have a lot of defects. Sure OTA fixes are great.
Kinda. But as a purchaser I’d rather buy an expensive product w/ consistent experience vs something that only sometimes works. Generally OTA updates are a LOT better because I don’t have to take time out of my life to go somewhere to deal with it. My time is worth a lot to me.
My Hyundai Ioniq was recalled to South Korea, because there was a chance the battery would spontaneously combust.
My Tesla was recalled at my convenience, because the rear camera might have a loose connection.
This statistic is useless without knowing the severity of the recall.
For the recall they needed to ship the car back to Korea?
They could instead ship Korea to OwlHamster
Stupid question, what is recalled?
The manufacturer identifies an issue with a vehicle, and “recalls” it to one of their service centers to fix it. Usually this is some defect in design or a part that needs to be corrected.
Sometimes it’s the government identifying an “issue” not the manufacture. Or a government control changes that the already manufactured car doesn’t comply with so the manufacturer needs to recall the car to make it compliant. The latter happens a lot with Tesla but they can perform the recall with an update to the software remotely without the car coming to the shop, a large portion of their recalls are just software updates not deserving of the word
I have mixed feelings about recalls. On the surface, it sounds terrible that you have to bring your car in because something is wrong. Yeah, it is super annoying, but on the flip side a recall means the carmaker admits to finding an issue with your car and is willing to repair it. In the past, carmakers would just kind of gloss over things that were found to be defective and hope that it wasn’t a big enough problem to demand them do anything.
So no one wants a lot of recalls, obviously, but having no recalls always means that you are on the hook when something breaks because the carmaker doesn’t think it is a problem with their design.
The article points out that a lot of these recalls for Tesla are OTA updates that don’t require you to bring the car in. It’s basically transparent to you as the owner of the vehicle.
Yes… but would Tesla be so open about “yeah this update was about a safety flaw in the cars control software”. Since that is what OP was saying on my reading. Yeah the OTA might fix the things, but all you might get from unscrupulous car maker is “we did feature improvements on the drive train algorhitmics”. Said improvement being “we removed feature called critical bug from the software”. However the last part they wouldn’t tell you. Well now they have to.
Since the Recall is not about the database really or the name. It is about the underlying law and regulation, that demands car makers to notify safety authorities upon finding a safety flaw or issue with their vehicle and to not lie about it. Withholding such discovery under recall laws is illegal and to make a point companies have been punished under that statute. So not like it is a solution looking for problem. Oh there was a problem. It is only natural. No maker wants to admit bad stuff about their product, if they can avoid it. However safety recall notice regulations says “own up immediately upon finding an issue or face penalties.”
Again this isn’t about “Tesla bad”. Since most of the “you hid safety flaws” is the big old legacy conglomerates. However for this system to work no one is above the law. Everyone has to own up to their safety issues, including Tesla. Might they also be equally open without the law? Well we would need alternate universe to find out. Since Tesla has operated all it’s existence under safety notice laws. So we don’t know how they would behave, if they had a choice. Given example of legacy auto… probably not so well. big business gonna big business.
ITT: People talking about software updates like they’re nothing when the company is trying to have software driven vehicles on the road…
