So I don’t know what third option you’ve got in mind. Either the consumer, you, are responsible for the environmental damage caused by these industries by inducing demand. Or, as you seem to be explicitly saying, the industries themselves are responsible. How the hell do you think they’re gonna take responsibility in stopping the damage they’re doing to the environment?
There is no option where you get to keep eating meat daily and drive a gas car, and the environment gets to recover. Either you take responsibility in stopping on your own, or the industries themselves no longer provide it to you in the first place.
To be fair, it’s corporations, lobbyists and governments that made us believe that we needed these things to be successful. Entire generations morals were bought with new technology that we were convinced we needed. And then the government’s created places to revolve and evolve around these technologies and put us all in a position where we’d have to give up everything in order to be able have a chance at a future. Commuters have been put in a position where they need their gas guzzlers, we can’t get jobs without consistent access to a mobile phone and internet- some won’t even hire you if you aren’t on socials.
Sure we can take steps to combat the problem, but the problem is still being shoved down our throats under the guise of success and happiness so most don’t even have a clear idea of what the problem is. The industries themselves are responsible, they created this problem and they pay off governments for the ability to continue this problem. We as consumers can have a small impact on this, but without rallying 8 billion people against it, it is useless- the industries only have to convince a handful of people that their way is the right way.
You make it sound as though personal responsibility and discipline will show us the way out of the darkness, but that is disingenuous at best.
Are we going to ignore things like the massive meat subsidies and the way that eating meat is actively encouraged? There are people that can’t afford a high caloric alternative outside of meat. Or what about the fact that most in the west were raised on heavy meat diets and don’t know how to swap at the drop of a hat?
To act like there are no outside influences when it comes to eating meat is utterly ignorant. Of course the meat industry has to be massively overhauled. But maybe blame the people/industry that have been actively perpetuating it rather than those that just figured out there needs to be a change.
There are people that can’t afford a high caloric alternative outside of meat.
please, learn about foods and prices. Learn about being poor. There are a lot of people where meat is a luxury item. Rice, beans, pasta, potatoes, corn, oil, flour, sugar. You dont know what not affording foods is like.
Or what about the fact that most in the west were raised on heavy meat diets
and which corporation, lobbyist, or governing body was your parent? Did you forget who you were blaming?
weird how we’re in a thread about a solution, and I am giving more solutions to your concerns that there’s no affordable alternatives for meat. But that requires you to be a lessy picky eater so you’re gonna throw a fit instead.
More like ignoring all of my points while being so smug it’s palpable through my screen. I imagine you’re just as insufferable in real life.
But sure, pretend like some people not eating meat will automatically make wide systemic changes to industrial meat production. Keep sucking your own dick while ignoring that there’s an even larger issue at play here that goes outside of 'just don’t eat meat".
Feel free to waft your own farts while I ask about affordable alternatives to meat in countries where it is heavily subsidized. Saying 'potatoes, beans, rice" doesn’t answer that question because it doesn’t account for the protein deficiencies without the knowledge to supplement that into a person’s diet. Something the average person does not know and is not educated on. Nor does it make up for the cost difference in said dishes.m at least in the country I’m from. Things like vegetables tend to cost more for less when compared calorically to meat. And there are a lot of places where you could get a pound of meat for $3 where I’m from.
And what was that you asked about what “lobbying body, governing group” parented me on how to eat meat? The US education department. You want to say it gave me a shitty education, get in line. You can act like a smug asshole all you want, but don’t pretend like you’ve addressed anything here.
It’s like I’m taking to a toddler that doesn’t know anything besides “nuh-uh”. You are the very reason no one listens when people try to start talking about eating less meat.
No, I directly addressed your points, you just dont like the answer.
You keep talking about meat subsidies, so I assume you’re in the US. Im also in the US, everything Im telling you I tell you within the context of food nutrition and prices within the US. Let me know if you’re somewhere else and Ill do some extra research to show you what I am telling you is still the case for you because meat just gets more expensive in places outside the US.
Im also assuming you’re in the US from your assumption that only meat has appropriate protein for diets. You dont know food. You might know beans have some protein in them, it’s quite a good amount actually. But you probably dont think potatoes have a single protein, or corn, or rice, or pasta, or flour. They’ve all got protein in them, they are staple foods in other parts of the world for a reason, they meet nutritional needs.
Things like vegetables
no no no, this is a strawman, I didnt say vegetables. I was specific. What I gave you was a list of foods that are cheaper per calorie. As a bonus, most nuts are pretty expensive so I wasnt mentioning them, but peanut butter is another high calorie, high protein food that’s often near the top of charts of calorie per dollar ranking.
So I don’t know what third option you’ve got in mind. Either the consumer, you, are responsible for the environmental damage caused by these industries by inducing demand. Or, as you seem to be explicitly saying, the industries themselves are responsible. How the hell do you think they’re gonna take responsibility in stopping the damage they’re doing to the environment?
There is no option where you get to keep eating meat daily and drive a gas car, and the environment gets to recover. Either you take responsibility in stopping on your own, or the industries themselves no longer provide it to you in the first place.
To be fair, it’s corporations, lobbyists and governments that made us believe that we needed these things to be successful. Entire generations morals were bought with new technology that we were convinced we needed. And then the government’s created places to revolve and evolve around these technologies and put us all in a position where we’d have to give up everything in order to be able have a chance at a future. Commuters have been put in a position where they need their gas guzzlers, we can’t get jobs without consistent access to a mobile phone and internet- some won’t even hire you if you aren’t on socials.
Sure we can take steps to combat the problem, but the problem is still being shoved down our throats under the guise of success and happiness so most don’t even have a clear idea of what the problem is. The industries themselves are responsible, they created this problem and they pay off governments for the ability to continue this problem. We as consumers can have a small impact on this, but without rallying 8 billion people against it, it is useless- the industries only have to convince a handful of people that their way is the right way.
You make it sound as though personal responsibility and discipline will show us the way out of the darkness, but that is disingenuous at best.
God this sounds pathetic. No one made you do shit.
Are we going to ignore things like the massive meat subsidies and the way that eating meat is actively encouraged? There are people that can’t afford a high caloric alternative outside of meat. Or what about the fact that most in the west were raised on heavy meat diets and don’t know how to swap at the drop of a hat?
To act like there are no outside influences when it comes to eating meat is utterly ignorant. Of course the meat industry has to be massively overhauled. But maybe blame the people/industry that have been actively perpetuating it rather than those that just figured out there needs to be a change.
please, learn about foods and prices. Learn about being poor. There are a lot of people where meat is a luxury item. Rice, beans, pasta, potatoes, corn, oil, flour, sugar. You dont know what not affording foods is like.
and which corporation, lobbyist, or governing body was your parent? Did you forget who you were blaming?
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weird how we’re in a thread about a solution, and I am giving more solutions to your concerns that there’s no affordable alternatives for meat. But that requires you to be a lessy picky eater so you’re gonna throw a fit instead.
See you next record breaking summer
More like ignoring all of my points while being so smug it’s palpable through my screen. I imagine you’re just as insufferable in real life.
But sure, pretend like some people not eating meat will automatically make wide systemic changes to industrial meat production. Keep sucking your own dick while ignoring that there’s an even larger issue at play here that goes outside of 'just don’t eat meat".
Feel free to waft your own farts while I ask about affordable alternatives to meat in countries where it is heavily subsidized. Saying 'potatoes, beans, rice" doesn’t answer that question because it doesn’t account for the protein deficiencies without the knowledge to supplement that into a person’s diet. Something the average person does not know and is not educated on. Nor does it make up for the cost difference in said dishes.m at least in the country I’m from. Things like vegetables tend to cost more for less when compared calorically to meat. And there are a lot of places where you could get a pound of meat for $3 where I’m from.
And what was that you asked about what “lobbying body, governing group” parented me on how to eat meat? The US education department. You want to say it gave me a shitty education, get in line. You can act like a smug asshole all you want, but don’t pretend like you’ve addressed anything here.
It’s like I’m taking to a toddler that doesn’t know anything besides “nuh-uh”. You are the very reason no one listens when people try to start talking about eating less meat.
No, I directly addressed your points, you just dont like the answer.
You keep talking about meat subsidies, so I assume you’re in the US. Im also in the US, everything Im telling you I tell you within the context of food nutrition and prices within the US. Let me know if you’re somewhere else and Ill do some extra research to show you what I am telling you is still the case for you because meat just gets more expensive in places outside the US.
Im also assuming you’re in the US from your assumption that only meat has appropriate protein for diets. You dont know food. You might know beans have some protein in them, it’s quite a good amount actually. But you probably dont think potatoes have a single protein, or corn, or rice, or pasta, or flour. They’ve all got protein in them, they are staple foods in other parts of the world for a reason, they meet nutritional needs.
no no no, this is a strawman, I didnt say vegetables. I was specific. What I gave you was a list of foods that are cheaper per calorie. As a bonus, most nuts are pretty expensive so I wasnt mentioning them, but peanut butter is another high calorie, high protein food that’s often near the top of charts of calorie per dollar ranking.