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Chinese Carmaker Overtakes Tesla as World’s Most Popular EV Maker::Elon Musk once scoffed at the notion that BYD could compete with his company. Now, the automaker run by billionaire Wang Chuanfu is poised to be the new No. 1 in electric vehicles.
I don’t wanna be that guy, but BYD are not only garbage tofu cars, they are also HEAVILY subsidized by the CCP in an effort to dump on the competition.
You can be that guy all you want, those garbage tofu cars are still dominating the market.
I know they are dominating the market. But I’m explaining why they are. It’s NOT because they make superior cars Each car is sold at a loss with the funding/backing of the China government with the sole purpose to dump(kill domestic competition).
Amazon prime sorta did this on a micro scale. Dump their pricing to kill Barnes and Noble and after they go out of business, they open and replace them with their own stores. But instead of Amazon funding the dump, it’s the god damn CCP and our entire auto industry.
Dominating which market though? China is heavily subsidizing these cars like they do with a lot of new tech when they want to undercut non-Chinese companies. I guarantee if any other manufacturer had similar subsidies, the situation would be different.
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Are… Are you using your porn alt on this thread perchance?
No, after porn instances got defederated from other instances, I just picked the instance that hasn’t defederated any instances which happens to be the porn instances. I figured it’s the least censored. If I wanted to be censored, I would just go back to reddit.
I wish I had that man’s confidence.
How is that different from Tesla?
Because Tesla’s subsidies are good old fashioned American subsidies. Rock, flag, and eagle, right?
How? Teslas that are sold in China are made in China. BYD sold in the UK are made in China.
How are they garbage? For instance BYD makes the safest batteries available. They started making electric cars about the same time as Tesla.
You are either not informed or TikTok has brain washed you. BYD leads the pack for most battery related fires than any other car manufacturer.
https://www.wapcar.my/news/in-china-640-evs-caught-fire-in-the-first-quarter-of-2022-up-32-percent-45371
I don’t use TikTok at all.
In EU Tesla has a marketshare equivalent to the rest of EV top 10 combined, I’d guess Tesla also has the most fires of any manufacturer in EU.
https://evmarketsreports.com/byds-growing-market-share-in-chinas-ev-market/
In China BYD has 7 of the top 10 most sold models, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 9. Tesla only has 3rd and 8th. So obviously BYD sell way more cars in China than Tesla.
I’m not sure how the numbers shown 11 for Byd and 5 for Tesla for 2020-2022 together with the others, can in any way add up to 640 in first quarter of 2022??
The numbers of the article you linked simply don’t make any sense. But apart from that, there is no real indication BYD or the other Chinese brands should be more prone to fires than Tesla.
Good. Nobody should use TikTok.
Best selling doesn’t mean they are great cars. Teslas are garbage cars too. The best selling cars again, doesn’t mean they are superior cars.
All cars are prone to fire. But BYD have already had a recall for their batteries. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/fans-take-byd-task-recall-confusion-clouds-chinese-ev-makers-image-2022-06-30/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/byd-recall-more-tang-dm-095837668.html
BYD still uses the standard lithium ion batteries. Tesla now uses lithium iron phosphate batteries, if you didn’t know it is considered the safest battery.
I will agree that you and I are experts in this field, but you have to acknowledge that China is intentionally dumping these cars with the intent to kill off competition and gain market share.
I agree, and that wasn’t what I meant, but if you sell more cars of similar quality, there will also be more defects.
I see a chart where BYD is at the top for fires… but is that proportional to the prevalence of the brand? I can’t tell whether it’s disproportionately high, disproportionately low, or what.
The best hint is it’s got 11 fires to Tesla’s 5, which does seem disproportionately high…
Why do you consider them to be the safest, any specific reason?
Because it’s been tested to be way safer than other batteries.
https://evpowerhouse.com.au/blog/byd-blade-battery/
That means it’s generally safer in theory because it more chemically stable.
Practical test results confirm this, and damage that will make other batteries burn explosively, merely makes this battery warm.
But it’s not 100% safe, there have been accidents that shouldn’t have happened, but did anyway. This is being investigated, and it is still considered significantly safer than competing batteries.
Is true, that’s cool.
Probably not the type of car I would ever buy. I heard the patent is about to expire so that’s great. Not that I understand why the western world would care about Chinese parents. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Got a chuckle out of me
Of course they’re garbage, they’re Chinese
I wouldn’t go all out saying all Chinese made things are garbage. The majority of cellphones are produced there and many of them are not garbage.
Agreed, China can produce garbage and it can produce amazing things.
The thing is that companies that outsource to China often want much cheaper manufacturing, which obviously results in lower quality.
They can produce stuff at the same quality and probably at a higher quantity as anyone else (except maybe for extremely specialised stuff which only 1 company in the world can do)