I wish they didn’t have to wait for things like this. It sucks that Ukraine is at the whims of other countries while it’s trying to fight to maintain its sovereignty.

Herodotus got a lot of things wrong and said a lot of things that were false- unless you think giant golden ants really used to live in Persia.

https://listverse.com/2015/04/08/10-historical-facts-that-herodotus-got-hilariously-wrong/

There is a reason Herodotus is known both as the Father of History and the Father of Lies.

So bringing him into an argument about whether or not a character in a book with magical powers exists when the person you’re talking to says that the textual claims aren’t reliable is beyond me.

And you are still ignoring my argument, an argument where I never claimed there was no historical person the character of Jesus in the Bible was based upon, so I’m not sure there is any point to continuing this conversation.

That’s a terrible argument. That was one pharaoh and the monument would have been finished within his lifetime if he had lived a normal lifespan for a pharaoh… Most Pharaohs had monuments to them- not just tombs, but temples- built within their lifetime. We know because they tell us so right on the walls.

And, again, I was talking about the Jesus of the Bible, which is obviously who OP is asking about. That Jesus, who has magic powers and is the son of a god, did not exist. So there is no evidence for him even if he was based on a real person. A point you are still missing because you seem to think I am saying that there was no real person the character was based on, I am not. I thought I made that clear when I mentioned Bloefeld.

If there was a real Jesus, we have absolutely no idea what, if anything, said about him in the Bible actually happened or was something we said because there is no evidence of it outside the Bible and the Bible cannot be trusted. Which is why I maintain it doesn’t matter if the Jesus of the Bible was based on a real person, because it tells us nothing about that person that we can confirm as being true.

So, to answer OP’s question, there is no real physical proof that Jesus Christ ever existed. The name OP gives is a hint. “Christ” means messiah and “Jesus” is the Greek version of the name. A real Jesus would have a name similar to Yeshua and his full name would have been similar to Yeshua bin Yosef. Nazareth might be appended to the end. That wasn’t who OP was asking about though. They were asking about a messiah.

Again, I agree with you. But OP made the implication that if we just talked this out, then there would be no war there and I wanted to nip that in the bud from the source before we even got into whether or not the OP was being disingenuous.

I feel like the best way to attack such things is by talking about how they are illogical or irrational arguments irrespective of the intentions of the person making them.

Where on Earth do you get the idea that monuments to pharaohs were not built within their lifetime? That’s absolutely untrue.

It also misses my point.

I agree that’s where the blame lies, but even if they were right and the problem was religious fanaticism, talking about it achieves nothing.

Yes. Through guerilla warfare. Which was my point.

Lost in what way? In that Hezbollah still exists? Because see above re guerilla war.

If we’re talking about just arms vs. arms, Hezbollah is far weaker. They probably have the ability to draw Israel into a lengthy guerilla war a la Afghanistan, which will eventually make Israel admit the whole thing is pointless, but that also would mean that Iran doesn’t decide to join in the fight. I still think Israel would have the stronger military in that case, but the bigger issue there would be that out of those three groups, only Israel has nukes and they aren’t concerned about the spread of fallout if they lob one at Tehran like they would be in Gaza.

No it is not. Especially now that I know why OP posted it.

This person is currently trying to argue with me that it was definitely true that when iron age people wrote in a book that Jesus walked on water decades after the event supposedly took place, it really took place because quantum physics tells us more about the universe than Newtonian physics, therefore something? I’m not sure. Somehow that makes walking on water possible but I just don’t have the faith apparently.

HP seems to think 4 GB is an acceptable amount of RAM to put in a modern notebook (although they don’t charge even close to what Apple charges).

https://www.amazon.com/HP-Micro-edge-Microsoft-14-dq0040nr-Snowflake/dp/B0947BJ67M

Edit: Thinking about it, this is worse. Apple isn’t targeting low-income people. This is HP selling the poor a computer that doesn’t work properly.

Ah, I see, rather than special pleading as to why the Bible is true and the Vedas are false, you’re just going to ignore the whole thing.

I suppose that’s a way to maintain that your god is the one true god though, ignore any challenges from other god beliefs as if they don’t exist.

Was this a press release from this person’s manager or something?

I have no idea why this specific comedian’s success matters.

So why would they write about it and describe it as wonders?

The same reason the authors of the Vedas, the Quran, the Book of Mormon and any other religious text you’d like to mention. I assume you don’t think Vishnu is a god as well as your god. I look forward to the special pleading of why the “wonders” of the Bible are true and the “wonders” of the Trials of Hercules are not though.

Also, you’re “ever heard of” thing doesn’t change the fact that there is not a single documented account of the laws of physics not working. You are describing things being more complicated than was thought, not things not working.

But feel free to show me video of a modern-day miracle your god is responsible for. You know as well as I do that there is no such thing, but I’m sure you’ve got some amusing excuse for why your omnipotent god no longer performs those miracles of his.

A rare Riker for Netanyahu and the ultra-Orthodox.

Should be less rare, but I’ll Riker where I can.

No, I am assuming that a book written in the iron age was written by people with no knowledge of physics and I am also assuming, like every other iron age religious text, there’s no need to accept it as truth.

Your whole “you can’t prove it isn’t true” argument is not how anything works. The burden of proof is on the claimant. In this case, my claim is I have no reason to believe any of it is true based on modern physics. And telling me I can’t assume that the laws of physics work all the time doesn’t really compel me to think otherwise since I’ve never seen any modern documented account of the laws of physics not working.

If your god wants me to believe he exists, he knows what he can do about it. I guess he’s fine not providing a shred of evidence he exists outside of an iron age book, which means I’m fine assuming he doesn’t exist.

I don’t want Israel and Hezbollah to go to war, but what will ‘talking about the religious fanatics’ achieve?

There’s nothing “perfectly sensible” about defying the laws of physics just because a book says he could.

I hope not, because port is my wine of choice and I would be like, “fuck you, Jesus. I wanted to drink that!”