What about people who debate issues they don’t agree with and steel man them ? good things have come from this because it causes new people to look at stuff and bring an outside view to things and point out something the activist on either side of a debate haven’t noticed.
It discredits their view points. When you debate you are almost never going to convince the other person the goal is to convince the audience or people who haven’t made up their minds.
That is what I think the left has failed at and it kept me as a baby leftist for a while because I would as a question and they would accuse me of being an alt right troll.
I love debating. I especially love debating right wingers because it’s fun and makes the world better. One thing they are better about one of the few things is answering questions ,if you have questions they have answers. I would make fun of them and ask dumb hypothetical and they would still answer
Thanks I agree and this is a valuable perspective
So funny thing is republicans say the same thing. There is a famous quote ““Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit.””
I would argue the left needs to take some responsibility with getting distracted in the culture war and losing site of the working class. Look at Bernie you can go back to 2016 and see people saying that bernie was a bro candidate and not progressive enough compared to hillarly on insert x wedge issue here
I agree that we need to be more technocratic as I think democracy is kind of running it’s course in the world. Maga also has a lot of contradictions to be fair
I like this actually
do you have an actual answer to the question ?
Also even if you disagree with that, that is how they feel and when it comes to votes weather or not how they feel is justified or not doesn’t matter
I am going to be honest, I think women need to be a a part of this. We are used to being right in regards to gender conflict because usually we are but one thing I agree with men on is that every woman says they want men to share their feelings more but many women lose respect for a man they see as weak.
Bell Hooks talks a lot about this so you can go read her.
the issue with that is with less women dating period since less women want to settle. Would that work ?
There just isn’t a gaurentee or even a good enough chance that being a progressive or supporting progressive politics will get you a girlfriend or wife so would this kind of incentive system work ?
If you want the carrot and stick to work you have to give the carrot.
Telling women to just date random progressive guys for the cause even ignoring the fact it’s not ery ethical. I just don’t think you could convince enough women to do it for it to work
I do Onlyfans so I have a good perspective (I promise I am nit trying to promote I won’t even tell you what it is I want this to be my vent account)
First off I do like doing it, I am a sexually open person and it is kind of fun trying out new fantasies and toys. I admit chatting with customers is not the best my fans aren’t to talkative.
I make decent money and that is good I am not the most employable. I haven’t worked much and I used to have substance use issues and I have some small charges for them. I went to community college to be a therapist and liked it but college is hard and so risky with student loans so I just quit after getting my associates.
The money is just to good to pass up and it’s appealing to gen Z girls who are more sexually open and don’t want to be a wife or mom or even go the standard 9 to 5 route.
being good faith doesn’t mean you are a good debater.
Christopher Hitchens often argued for stuff he didn’t know or care much about but he did an amazing job at it.
Meanwhile a 62 IQ Florida man who thinks the earth is flat might be the most good faith pure of heart debater who beehives that in his heart of heart that the earth is flat. He will be a terrible debater.