We’ve been an evil empire for a while now. A long history of wars, coups, and foreign intervention. It’s a lot more visible in the internet age and the propoganda machine isnt working like it used to.

Absolute demon shit.

If they aren’t occupiers…

Why doesn’t Gaza have an airport? (it was destroyed in 2002 and not allowed to rebuild)

What happens when Gazan’s go too far off the coast? (they get shot)

What happens when they go past the border wall? (they get shot)

But sure, maybe you like the term “under seige” better? Is that more accurate for you?

Social media, not western news agencies. The news is highly biased toward Israel even if the people generally aren’t falling for it.

Please tell me you think it’s justified to hold a child in prison for years for throwing a rock at a tank. Oh, or maybe they illegally walked on the wrong side of the road in the west bank. I really want to hear this.

They act as a mediator for Israel to fund Hamas.

Not saying they’ve never given any of their own money to the governing body of a destitute open air prison, but that wouldn’t be unique to them.

The hostage deal was negotiated by Qatar, the Hamas leadership is living in luxury in Qatar

You’re spelling out how they’re acting like a neutral party here.

Qatar is seeking to gain more influence in the future of Gaza.

It’s a destitute open air prison. Come on now.

Is this really the right moment to blindly trust the Qatar state owned news source with its reporting about a Qatar negotiated deal related to a conflict that Qatar has a vested interest in?

I don’t blindly trust their reporting. It was one search result. Most of the details on Israeli actions and policy come straight from Israeli sources like B’Tselem.

Is it not true? You could tell me that with something backing it instead of complaining about a reputable source.

Recognized as a non-member observer state, and the countries actively oppressing them currently do not.

The same ones that hand-wring endlessly about a “two state solution”.

Why not? They’re a great source unless they’re reporting on something related to Qatar’s own government / interests.

Palestinians would love to be recognized as a state. Why aren’t they?

Many Palestinian prisoners aren’t charged with crimes and have “secret evidence” held against them. Given Israel’s track record of lying and colonialist activity, I’ll leave you to decide if they actually do have that evidence. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/5/2/more-than-600-palestinians-held-by-israel-without-charge-or-trial

On top of that, the vast majority of the actual crimes are incredibly minor like rock throwing, and it doesn’t matter if you’re a child. The conditions and treatment in Israel prisons for Palestinians is incredibly grim as well.

There’s a thin vaneer of an unjust legal framework, and the aims of Israel aren’t as explicit to hold them for trade, but they’re a whole lot closer to being hostages than most people care to admit.

Characterizing Gaza as occupied even after withdrawal, and suggesting that therefore Israel should keep providing them with supply lines even as Hamas attacks and tries to genocide them. (Absurd.)

It’s blockaded, and you know this. That’s occupied. You’re intentionally muddying the waters. Your categorizing of them being “national belligerents” is both infanitlizing and completely misses why they might be that way. It’s for, like, real reasons, like an unjust occupation and explusion.

Palestinians within Israel with full rights only exist to provide cover for apartheid.

The video explicitly talks about the people in Israel proper for the majority of it, the home demolitions and unequal treatment. You’re just wrong here.

Gaza/West Bank cannot vote in Israeli elections. (They should let the people trying to kill them and outnumber them elect their leaders? K.)

Sounds like you’re just saying “Great Replacement” demographics shit but with the local Arab population, fearing a demographic majority that might act in the same cruel ways back. A myth by the way.

Demonstrations in Palestinian territories are illegal. (That’s because they historically kill a lot of people.)

“The only democracy in the middle east” lmao. Straight fascist apologia.

Water rights from Oslo agreement. (Well, they agreed to it!)

How much choice did they have really? And the video even states they get less than the agreement (and it’s contaminated).

Restrictions on Palestinian movements. Forcible separation via roads, checkpoints, walls… (Palestine is still a belligerent nation)

I WONDER WHY

Alright man, it’s clear you either aren’t arguing in good faith, are a paid shill, are a fascist, have brain worms, or some combination of all four. It’s obvious you can’t be helped at this point.

Here. While this information is available in all kinds of places, here’s a good video essay for a look into what’s happening in Israel / Palestine.

https://youtu.be/jBHAitSKtVs?si=eTe_7ZjgddQAKv2k

You may be uncomfortable grappling with the reality of it, and that’s alright.

How dare they contain the belligerent monoethnic nation that’s actively trying to genocide them.

They just want to return to their homes they were violently expelled from. Yes, it would be within their rights to use violence to expel the literal theives from their homes.

What jerks, must be racism, or apartheid, or some other shocking term you want to call their self defense.

These terms are true. It is a shocking situation, especially Gaza. Israel bombed their airport, won’t let them go too far off the coast, walled them off, control everything about what goes into Gaza (hell, they couldn’t get pasta at one point), 97% of the water they get isn’t potable. The food they do receive is calorie tracked and once described by Israel as “putting the Palestinians on a diet”. They can’t get concrete to rebuild shit Israel blows up regularly. That shit is fucking bleak.

but rather it’s about safety like they have always claimed it is.

It is, the oppressor is trying to keep the land they stole from the oppressed. It also hasnt stopped, and it’s obvious that it’s a continuous project. The ones who are there now know they’re on borrowed time and many will resist.

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The same folks operating an apartheid and open air prison? The same ones that did the Nakba?

Yes, absolutely. The Israelis are mega racist

Those children really had it coming for being at a hospital. Thankfully the IOF never lies and is always the good guys when they murder children. It’s just their culture to see Hamas everywhere like a scary boogeyman that justifies all war crimes.

I have a whole thread defending the slaughter of Palestinians because of an election 17 years ago, which isn’t nothing.

It is a literal terrorist government though. It just terrorizes overseas instead of at home.

And how has our involvement in Afghanistan worked out for the people there? You can’t fight terrorism with terrorism. Personally, if I had a rocket blow up my house and half my family, I’m signing up for Hamas or make Hamas 2 the next day to fight the people that did that to me. It’s not a Hamas missile that did that to me.

If you can’t empathize with that position, the humiliation and slow suffering of the Palestinians, I don’t know what to tell you. I suspect it’s a deep seated racism but I’ll never know.

Now where did I do that? Where did I call Palestinians subhuman?

Oh not you, plenty of Israeli officials, but this one is what I’m specifically referring to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbPdR3E4hCk

Yes. I’d be okay with Canada defending itself via violence. Quite literally would hope that Canada would do that… Especially

Even bombing your house and killing half your family, and cutting off all your food and water? Are you sure?