This isn’t about them. A disproportionate amount of women are victims of violence, sexual assault, and rape. Their safety should take priority over the feelings of others. If a man actually sympathizes with this they wouldn’t have their self esteem take a hit and would instead understand why actions like this are necessary as we work to address this issue in our society.

I see where you’re coming from but at the end of the day “Pro-Palestine” implies that these people are only protesting it for Palestine, and not the genocide. If the situation were reversed where Palestine was committing a genocide against the Israeli people then these people would not be “Pro-Palestine”. Remember, a lot of people around the world think that Palestinians want to ethnically cleanse the Jews (which is 100% not true). They use this as an excuse to justify what Israel is currently doing. This is what I meant by saying it has an implicit bias. It’s a very polarizing situation and the media is making it worse by labelling everyone either Pro-Israel or Pro-Palestine. We’re meant to believe that by picking a side you forsake the other. Which is not the case for a lot of people.

Personally, I don’t think the commenter was wrong to point it out. This isn’t an even conflict and Israel is not only attacking Hamas. “Pro-Palestine” implies you’re choosing a side in this conflict and allows people to form a bias. Anti-genocide showcases exactly why the majority of people are against the war.

You don’t have to be a rapist to make someone feel unsafe. Creeps and people who just keep hitting on women when they clearly don’t want them to exist as well.

Its not about fighting rapists, It’s about letting women have an environment where they can feel safe.

That’s more of a case of trying to control the narrative then using a non-inflammatory headline. “Pro-Palestine” creates an implicit bias for a conflict and you’ll read it in a certain way depending on your viewpoints on the conflict. The media does this a lot especially for a topic as loaded as this. That ones a really good example of it since the Israelis in Amsterdam were doing a lot of bad shit that prompted a response but all headlines just labeled them as “soccer fans” while they labeled the other side as things like “rioters”. It’s not about being inflammatory, it’s more about trying your best to remove these implicit biases.

The West Bank is not off limits, it’s had incursions regularly. And Israel has tried to annex it in the past and was stopped by Trump, funnily enough. I guess we’ll find out if they can convince him this time. Don’t think for a second that the West Bank is some sort of off-limits zone. They’ll annex it when they can. Just like they will with the Golan Heights and all their other occupied territories. It’s how colonies function.

PLO, Hamas and any Palestinian are not in any way expected to respect Israel’s sovereignty or current borders. A 2 state solution will lead to nothing but more divisiveness and create more tensions. It’s ironic how we in the western nations like to preach about how we are all equal and things like religion and race don’t matter. How this is one nation and we are all equal. And then we turn around and preach about some kind of ham-fisted 2 state solution for another country halfway across the world to resolve a conflict that we enforced on them. Also, PLO does recognize Israel’s right to exist. You know since they have a gun to their head and were told accept it or else.

Those 2-3 million Palestinians are being killed and starving to death because of Biden’s spineless inaction. Not Trumps. Biden has paid for 70% of this conflict so far. Biden has allowed Israel to ban UN envoys and agencies such as the UNWRA. And all the other stupid bloodthirst crap that I’m too lazy and tired to write down that we both know happened. Don’t pretend that Biden or America had any intention of saving them.

I’d like to remind you that this 44K number is confirmed deaths only. Actual deaths are expected to be much higher, in the hundreds of thousands. Israel’s onslaught has not slowed down. Only the ability to report it has. All infrastructure including healthcare and their ability to dig through the rubble has been destroyed and journalists are not able to actually go in and report anything because Israel is killing them all in targeted assassinations. Don’t delude yourself into thinking they’ve slowed down.

Harris didn’t have to override Biden. She just had to take a firmer stance. Biden dropped out last minute due to his unpopularity. This should have been a massive sign that Harris needed to diverge from his path and make her own. But she didn’t, and Biden’s unpopularity weighed her down. On this topic and others.

A lot of Americans could have demanded that Biden and Harris to do more. You wanting to do more is irrelevant when you just accept it. You were too afraid of demanding more from your leaders when you had the most bargaining power out of fear of promoting Trump and in the end you handed Trump the white house, the senate, and congress. Because Democrats settled for mediocracy and wanted to appear as moderates when running against a fascist wanna-be dictator.

I’ll say it one last time. Harris had no intention of saving the Palestinians. That entire demographic was written off as an acceptable casualty in the name of international politics and foreign lobbying. She couldn’t even admit to say there was a genocide, but only that Israel has a right to defend itself. And then her VP nominee openly says that Israel has a right to expand it’s borders. She would have been better than Trump on virtually every other topic, but this one there is very little difference.

We’ve been going around in circles for some time so I’ll refrain myself from responding to you if you choose to. It’s clear neither of us are going to convince the other of anything. Just a note for the future, it’ll help if you didn’t reduce someone’s viewpoints as being childish or that they know only the basics when they’ve actually just pointed the series of events that led them to the conclusion they’ve articulated. I know you mean well but you just come across as condescending and dismissive.

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There’s a lot I don’t know true. But there’s a lot I know as well. For example, I know that in Israel Netanyahu is ridiculously unpopular at the moment and is under criminal investigation. I know the only reason he’s still in power is because of a group of hard-right fanatics in the Knesset like Ben Gvir. I know this group has been pushing for the complete eradication of the Palestinians for some time now, including annexing the West Bank, and they are finally seizing on the moment. I also know that they are the ones pushing for a regional war with Iran. I know that the only one in Netanyahu’s war council who vocally said this war shouldn’t continue was the recently fired Defence Minister Yoav Gallant and was replaced with someone who wanted to continue the war. I know that lobbying groups such as AIPAC have spent a ridiculous amount of money lobbying the American Senate and Congress to let Israel do what they want. I know that Biden has received more money from these groups than any other senator in history. I know that Harris has repeatedly said that “Israel has a right to defend itself” even as they slaughter their way through innocents. I know that Tim Walz has said that he supports Israels right to expand it’s borders as they escalate the conflict with Lebanon and Iran. I know that Harris chose to campaign with war hawks like Liz Cheney in an effort to win Republican voters while ignoring a lot of Democrat voters.

You started this thread by implying that voting for Harris would have saved the Palestinians. I’m telling you that everything points to her not doing a dam thing. You want to sit there and talk about how maybe she would have talked them down from creating a regional war with Iran? Sure, go for it buddy. Maybe she would have. But don’t sit there and pretend like she, or the majority of Democrats, actually cared enough to stop Israel from performing their little genocide. Or the invasion of Lebanon for that matter. If they did, they would have done so by now. They chose to stick their head in the sand and pretend it wasn’t an issue. Meanwhile they literally lost all 7 of the swing states because of this attitude. The Arabs definitely made her lose Michigan, and there’s a strong case to be made that they could have helped her win Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

These weren’t anti-Semitic attacks, they were anti-Zionist protests. Even Jewish groups in Amstersam spoke up and said what the Israelis did was wrong.

It means Israel is using the current conflict in Gaza to expand into another Palestinian territory, the West Bank. They are already illegally occupying it. This is their move to “legitimize” the occupation.

You know it’s bad when Saudi Arabia is the calming force in the region and pulling out of diplomatic relations with Israel while also renewing relations with Iran.

How long before bed do you eat? And what kind of foods do you eat? Have you tried using the washroom before bed?

For the common people the economy isn’t the countries GDP or some DOW Jones, or the value of their currency. Stock market values are useless for the middle and lower class when a small minority owns over 90% of them.

If left wing and progressives really want to address this issue then they need to stop using these kind of figures. They need to address what people actually care for. Everyday costs.

Once you’re comfortable enough with the person? It’s like being with a best friend that you can be intimate with.

Buddy what part of the genocide of the Palestinians is already happening do you not understand? You want to sit there and say that Trump will genocide them even harder? The delusion of saying “Trust me, Harris will save the Palestinians” when she vocalized nothing but staunch support of Israel is what led the Democrats to lose all the Arab voters. The genocide of the Palestinians is already underway and Harris has made it clear she doesn’t intend on stopping it.

It’s privilege to say “Trust me it can get worse even as an extermination campaign is underway and other countries are being invaded”.

The escalations that are coming in the next few months would have happened with Harris as well. Both political parties have made it abundantly clear that Israel can do whatever it wants. There are no red lines for them.

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The claim that Isrsel is currently performing a genocide on the Palestinians is not debatable. They have cut off the entirety of Northern Gaza and started executing everyone they see on site. They besieged the only remaining hospital there several times and imprisoned all but a couple of the staff. They are deliberately trying to starve the population and even went so far as banning the UNRWA, which is the only agency capable of keeping the Palestinians alive. And do you think that once they finish there they’ll stop? They will continue with the rest of Gaza once they are done. They’ve even started attacking and demolishing homes in the West Bank as well. And they’re trying to invade Lebanon as well like they have tried to in the past.

Saying things will get worse under Trump is pointless. The genocide is underway, and it’s been blessed by the Biden administration as well as the Democratic party. Harris has made it clear she doesn’t plan on deviating from this course. So I stand by previous statement, Harris would not have saved them. Either one as president, the Palestinians die.

I’m not a kid and I’m not wrong in saying the genocide is currently underway with full support of the Biden administration and the overall Democratic party.