Look it up, most dogs eat poop.

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I’m quoting the articles you provided

You didn’t quote any articles initially.

have you even read them?

You’re rude and presumptuous.

Long story short the links you provided are proof that people with schizophrenia like cannabis, not that cannabis causes it.

That’s your personal conclusion, not the conclusion of the paper that the CDC cites.

Cannabis use preceded psychosis in these studies:

• Arseneault L, Cannon M, Poulton R, Murray R, Caspi A, Moffitt TE. Cannabis use in adolescence and risk for adult psychosis: longitudinal prospective study. BMJ. 2002;325(7374):1212-1213.
• Zammit S, Allebeck P, Andreasson S, Lundberg I, Lewis G. Self reported cannabis use as a risk factor for schizophrenia in Swedish conscripts of 1969: historical cohort study. BMJ. 2002;325(7374):1199.
• Weiser M, Knobler HY, Noy S, Kaplan Z. Clinical characteristics of adolescents later hospitalized for schizophrenia. Am J Med Genet. 2002;114(8):949-955.

Also: “Controlling for familial risk in one large epidemiological study considerably attenuated but did not completely eliminate the association of cannabis use with schizophrenia, with odds ratios of 3.3 and 1.6 with 3-year and 7-year temporal delays, respectively.” (Volkow ND, Swanson JM, Evins AE, et al. 2016)

The study in question:

• Giordano GN, Ohlsson H, Sundquist K, Sundquist J, Kendler KS. The association between cannabis abuse and subsequent schizophrenia: a Swedish national co-relative control study. Psychol Med. 2015;45(2):407-414.

You can’t cherry-pick the sections of the article that benefit your personal opinions and simply ignore the rest. Its clear that you did not read these articles with objectivity in mind, and for that reason I will no longer respond to you. Best of luck, hopefully you can overcome your rudeness and lack of objectivity some day.

References

• Volkow ND, Swanson JM, Evins AE, et al. Effects of cannabis use on human behavior, including cognition, motivation, and psychosis: a review. JAMA Psychiatry. 2016;73(3):292-297.

Only when smoked marijuana can be consumed in other ways

That’s good to know. At least the vascular diseases can be avoided when smoking pot. That does nothing for the carcinogens though.

So do cars, do you think we should ban cars? In fact almost all smokes contain carcinogenics, should we also ban coal? Power plants?

Yes. They must eventually be replaced with environmentally friendlier alternatives. Carcinogens are unacceptable and should never be willingly ingested just for fun.

All of them concur that …

Citation needed. Which specific articles are you referring to when you say “All of them”? Call me crazy, but I have a hutch you did not read every single cannabis study that’s ever been written.

… a lot of the meta-analysis point to …

Citation needed. Which meta-analysis? Written by whom? When?

none of them claim causation.

Citation needed. Which specific articles are you referring to when you say “none of them”? Call me crazy, but I have a hutch you did not read every single cannabis study that’s ever been written.

Who’s talking about banning education here? Strawman much?

Going up a ladder and using a car fulfill a practical purpose, and there are numerous safety precautions you can take to minimize the potential risk of an injury. On the contrary, recreational cannabis is explicitly done for fun, and there isn’t really a “risk-safe” way of developing schizophrenia due to substance abuse lmao

Do you think we should ban every activity that is as risky as consuming marijuana? If not, why not? Why marijuana and not everything else.

Your use of the word “risky” implies that there’s a consequence-free way of doing cannabis. There is not. You will always suffer adverse health effects by doing marijuana.

And to answer your question, no. Because security precautions can be taken to do other fun activities safely. There are no sufficient precautions which would allow you to do marijuana 100% safely.

Well, it takes away the money they would’ve used to buy more substances. Also its not meant to bankrupt anyone lol. Fines should be proportional to the reported income

Right, nothing more totalitarian than wanting to save people’s lives. Let’s allow everyone to do everything that makes them feel good, consequences be damned. What’s the worst that could happen?

The way the US went about banning alcohol was extremely poorly implemented, with ignorant and insensitive policies. Over the last few decades we have made tremendous advances in the field of psychology. I do believe substance-abuse could be eradicatedin in an effective manner with the knowledge we have nowadays.

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Yes. Their production should be illegal and punished with fines and jailtime. Their recreational use should be punished with fines (take away the money they would’ve used to buy more substances) and forced rehab, ie. Classes on how to stop relying on those drugs.

Strawman

I believe that it’s recreational use should be illegal, not that it should be punished with jailtime. The best punishments for that “crime” are fines and forced rehab, not jailtime.

your hope that people are unable to make their own choices.

My only hope is to stop people from destroying their physical and mental health in their short-sighted pursuits of feel-good chemicals.

Alcohol, caffeine and tobacco should also be banned, but their capitalist industry is too big at this point to be stopped. Let’s not add another monopoly to the list of legal-drugs

Hopefully none. Cannabis is really bad for your health and should NOT be used for “fun”:

• Marijuana causes an “increased risk of stroke, heart disease, and other vascular diseases.” (CDC, 2020-a)
• “Smoke from marijuana has many of the same toxins, irritants, and carcinogens (cancer-causing chemicals) as tobacco smoke.” (CDC, 2020-b)
• “People who use marijuana are more likely to develop […] long-lasting mental disorders, including schizophrenia (a type of mental illness where people might see or hear things that are not really there).” (CDC, 2020-c)

There’s thousands of activities with less adverse effects than doing drugs. PLEASE get a hobby other than trying to fry your brain with chemicals.

References

• US Center for Disease Control (CDC). October 19, 2020-a. Marijuana and Public Health: Heart Health. https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/heart-health.html
• US Center for Disease Control (CDC). October 19, 2020-b. Marijuana and Public Health: Lung Health. https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/lung-health.html
• US Center for Disease Control (CDC). October 19, 2020-c. Marijuana and Public Health: Mental Health. https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/mental-health.html

Your perception of lemmy has been tainted by the kind of communities you interact with. You and I have wildly different experiences on this app.

Part of the reason you feel this way may be caused by you being subscribed to unpopularopinion, an inherently contrarian community. If you’d like to be happy, stop following that community.

I also encourage you to avoid engaging in political conversations with non-rational people: It is extremely unlikely that they will change their minds, and even if you do reach an understanding, that conversation is really likely to leave you with a sour feeling.

In comparison, the communities I’m in are mostly about memes, IT, privacy and LGBT stuff. No news about the war, and no political arguments with random, possibly deranged, users.

The instance I’m in doesn’t even have downvotes! Depending on how you use lemmy, you can have either really good or really bad experiences. I recommend u to try to avoid conflict, and maybe even switch to a downvote-less instance.

congratz

That sounds really good for the low-earners, but what incentive is there to become a high-earner in such a system?

What incentivizes growth and development in such an environment?

We already have. Your phone can play music, can it not? Any note from a piano and any sound from a trombone can be played through the phone’s speakers

About 74 stupidity units, give or take

mmkay cool! Thanks for keeping this lemmy sub clean for everyone ^-