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    5 months ago

    No, you can’t, and don’t try and gaslight me about it.

    You’re either being serious or you’re not. You can’t change your intent based on the response.

    And FYI, critical thinking is exactly what enables me to see through this, taking me from “maybe this guy’s just clueless” to “nah just a troll”.









  • You’re making a stretch here. Language is not a representation - it is the thing being communicated. If you really want to get down to it, there’s some debate as to whether we communicate the exact same thing - qualia being what it is - but there is nothing shared beneath language for it to be a representation of (partly because of qualia, in fact).

    This “different representation” is not an actual layer of meaning - it is just the mere act of recognising the language.


  • Firstly, written language can be represented in binary without any loss of information.

    It’s still not language, though. It’s just binary.

    Secondly, audio of spoken language can be represented in binary with so little loss it’s indistinguishable to humans.

    Still not language.

    written and spoken language are also just representations.

    Of what? What does this need to be translated to for humans to understand it?


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    Humans work with language itself: letters, words, speech. Computers work with binary representations of language: just 0s and 1s.



  • This is gobbledygook. They don’t know which processes they fire and when, but they know exactly which processes they have. None of them are processes to actually interpret language - only processes to reproduce representations of language. And even if they could coherently interpret language, that still is a long way off from consciousness.

    Generative AI is still using the same software and hardware as Microsoft Word. Don’t mistake fantasy for reality.


  • That is a hypothetical about outside observation, with no look inside. Programmers and engineers do get to see inside, and they know exactly how a computer works.

    There is absolutely no opportunity for a processor to learn a single thing from any of the data it shuffles. It only ever sees its binary representation - it could “read” Hamlet 1,000,000,000,000 times and not “know” who wrote it, since it never at any point saw the words.