Traffic on the single bridge that links Russia to Moscow-annexed Crimea and serves as a key supply route for the Kremlin’s forces in the war with Ukraine came to a standstill on Monday after one of its sections was blown up, killing a couple and wounding their daughter.

The RBC Ukraine news agency reported that explosions were heard on the bridge, with Russian military bloggers reporting two strikes.

RBC Ukraine and another Ukrainian news outlet Ukrainska Pravda said the attack was planned jointly by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and the Ukrainian navy, and involved sea drones.

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    And TBH I trust those censuses 2014 onwards about as much as I trust Russian referenda.

    Then just speak to some people physically in Crimea? You’re on the internet it’s not difficult to seek out and have conversations with people in different places in the world.

    but that turned towards “part of Ukraine” as Ukraine failed to treat Crimea badly and independence would be difficult for such a small country in such an exposed situation.

    Ukraine did treat Crimea badly though? Are you completely unaware of the political turmoil in Ukraine prior to any of this? Increasing ethnic persecution against Russians and finally banning the russian language is what started the separatism in these regions.

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      There is a loooong road from “has political turmoil” to “wants to be part of Russia.”

      Florida has political turmoil. Doesn’t mean they want to be part of Spain because some people there speak Spanish.

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        Sure. But I assure you that when russian ethnicity people read twitter and see nafo and other morons (like half this comment section) saying all russians should die blah blah blah it only ends up pushing them to russia for safety. Even Navalny’s people who I despise say this:

        Like, what do you people expect the russians in Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk to think exactly when they read half the shit they’ve seen from libs on Twitter, reddit, etc etc who have all behaved indistinguishably from fascists in their bloodthirsty calls for russian blood? They see it as attacks on themselves, not the russian army, not putin, they see it as ethnic threats and it has pushed fencesitting russians with family in both ukraine and russia (about half are mixed families) over to the russian side because they just don’t feel the west can be trusted. They see them as wanting all russians dead, which you can hardly blame them for with all the behaviour you’ve surely seen online.

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          People are mean on the Internet? People are also mad at Russia because they’ve invaded a neighbor. People were calling out “death to America” for invading Iraq. It’s how the world works.

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      Then just speak to some people physically in Crimea? You’re on the internet it’s not difficult to seek out and have conversations with people in different places in the world.

      Of course. Because that’s totally not something the FSB would do to sniff out partisans and shit. There’s a war going on in case you haven’t noticed and truth is always its first victim.

      Increasing ethnic persecution against Russians and finally banning the russian language is what started the separatism in these regions.

      Neither was there prosecution nor was the Russian language banned. The Ukrainian army largely operates in Russian, FFS.

      I suggest you have a good look at the reliability of whatever place you get your information from.

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            Why are you quoting a member of the Golden Dawn as if Nazis were a reliable source of information? Are you a Nazbol?

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              Lmao I had no idea he was to be honest. You’re right. Let’s get something else then. (And no I’m certainly fucking not.)

              A couple of western media articles discussing the split the existing language law was causing in the country:

              2000: Ukraine wages war on Russian language

              2012: Russian language debate splits Ukraine

              2012: Ukrainians(far right) protest against Russian language law

              2014(when the law actually occurred): Ukraine Revokes Linguistic Rights

              This last one is the most interesting, also 2014 from Time: Many Ukrainians Want Russia To Invade

              Within two days of taking power, the revolutionary leaders passed a bill revoking the rights of Ukraine’s regions to make Russian an official language alongside Ukrainian. That outraged the Russian-speaking half of the country, and the ban was quickly lifted. But the damage was done. With that one ill-considered piece of legislation, the new leaders had convinced millions of ethnic Russians that a wave of repression awaited them. So it was no surprise on Friday when a livid mob in Crimea attacked a liberal lawmaker who came to reason with them. Struggling to make his case over the screaming throng, Petro Poroshenko was chased back to his car amid cries of “fascist!”

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                Remember how that law never went into effect and in fact regions have the right to have secondary official languages? Including Russian?

                Also, that it wasn’t a law furnishing new modes of repression but a law repealing the granting of rights to minority languages? And the law was by an interim government? And Right Sector and shit massively lost votes after all that?


                Yes, Ukraine had a political divide roughly among the Russian/Ukrainian native language rift, caused by Russia (Empire, USSR) by the Russification programme, by Russia (Federation) stoking it with hybrid warfare. Ukraine was torn between going to the west, into the EU (NATO wasn’t nearly as popular), or towards Russia’s economic bloc. Becoming part of Russia was never on the table, that’s always been a small minority position of a minority position.

                That very much changed towards majority support for NATO accession after the annexation of Crimea (and, no, Crimeans not being asked doesn’t explain the shift), and to absolutely overwhelming after the 2022 invasion.

                Russia overplayed its hand. Massively: They could’ve kept Ukraine in alignment limbo, maybe even have them turn eastwards, but they just had to get greedy and annex and invade. They’ve also lost all the hybrid warfare opportunities among e.g. the Russian minorities in the Baltic countries.


                And maybe you should read more primary sources instead of random Anglo press articles. Or read the articles, for that matter, things like

                Lviv’s language war was ignited by the death of a popular local folk-singer, Igor Bilozir. At an outdoor cafe one evening in May, he and a friend were playing his Ukrainian ballads while a group of Russian youths at the next table were singing songs in Russian.

                The Russians warned Bilozir to stop singing in Ukrainian. He refused. They came to blows. The fighting spilled along the street and the 45-year-old slumped to the ground after a blow to the head. He died three weeks later in hospital, becoming for Ukrainian nationalists an instant martyr.

                “He was killed because he sang songs in his own language,” says Mr Parubi. Russian newspapers turned things around and said the dispute was over the right to use the Russian language.

                which isn’t exactly playing into your narrative.

                Didn’t you, just some comments ago, talk about talking to actual people? I have three Ukrainian families living in neighbouring flats, having fled the war. One of them ethnically Russian, though the kids are refusing to speak the language.

                Yes, there had been grievances. Grievances so bad it justifies an invasion? Hell no, not just not the same ballpark, but not even the same galaxy. Moscow, OTOH, is checking all five points (one would suffice!) of the definition of genocide. It doesn’t surprise me, or their parents, in any way whatsoever that the kids are refusing to speak Russian, they’ve seen shit.