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      I see the “drugs are bad” comment jn your history…

      Oppression of drugs is bad and makes the problem worse while criminals get rich.

      This is quite literally the way if we want a healthier society with less drug related problems and crime. Asks scientist and people who work gave experience working with addicts.

      Criminalization creates taboo, which means people hide from help and lie that they don’t have a problem instead of looking for a way out. They are paranoid to tell their medical professionals the truth because they fear the state and police.

      The glorification of some aspects of drug culture is a side effect of this. So yes drugs might get more visible in society but the toxicity in the drugs will be less, the damage they do will be contained, social safety will be more prevalent as people stop hiding their use and help to recognize their problem and quit will be open and accessible.

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        Your well thought and well written post will likely land on deaf ears.

        In my experience, evidence, logical arguments and simple common sense are completely ineffective with the kind of people who think “drugs bad and that’s it” and are convinced that more War on Drugs is the solution. Despite the fact that all the evidence around us shows that it’s not.

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          I know for the person i commented on its probably to late but if i can get some lurkers that simply not know any better to start doing some research then thats a win.

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        “We can’t effectively end murder so let’s just allow it, hitmen will stop earning money this way”

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          To compare getting high to murdering a person might be the most unfitting and dumb comparison I have heard in my whole life.

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                  Fucking what? Making decisions about my own body somehow violates my rights?

                  What next, you’re going to regulate my diet to make sure I don’t hurt my own “rights” by eating too many pastries or having too many drinks?

                  You don’t sound like someone who values individual liberty. You sound like a wannabe fascist trying to control people.

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        The only drug I take is alcohol, I still don’t think someone should be criminalised for getting high.

        I especially don’t think that the way to cure drug addiction is to throw people in to prison. Drug problems need to be treated as a health issue, not a criminal one. No happy and healthy person ever woke up and just decided to get addicted to heroin.

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          No, consumers should not be treated like dealers. They’re not criminals, but victims of themselves that need therapy.

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            Therapy makes sense when people have problems in their life.

            It is very well possible to consume drugs like marijuana without developing a dependance, and especially without getting any problems in life. Which means, without indicating any therapy.

            The opposite also happens, and therapy for those who struggle definitely makes sense. It just does not make sense to generalize this way.

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              If someone uses drugs it’s definitely as a means of evasion, so yeah, marijuana users should go to therapy no matter how they convince themselves and others to be “fine”

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                Do you drink alcohol? If yes, you need therapy according to your own statement. And so does every single other person on earth who consumes alcohol.

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                People use strategies of evasions in a zillion ways, most don’t involve any drugs (like making holidays to evade your everyday life), some involve legal drugs like alcohol (e.g. evade your social anxiety in social events). Using evasive strategies on it’s own is a normal part of live and in itself not a sufficient indicator for therapy. If the individual life suffers from it, then yes. What’s the point of doing therapy with someone who is fine, after all? All while people who actually suffer struggle to get any therapy to begin with?

                We could also very well argue that all of these ways in which people use evasive strategies would be worth of therapy. I could get behind that (though there are good reasons against it, too), but see no reason to single out marijuana then.

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                  Someone who regularly drinks alcohol to forget how shitty their life is currently being definitely deserves therapy

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                    So there were a couple of thoughts in my comment, a few perspectives and nuances. You singled out one (or actually rather projected) which suits your view which you don’t want to change. There were many other ways to engage in a constructive way, which you evaded.

                    By your logic, don’t you need therapy now? Evasion bad, right?

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          They seem to believe a lot of nonsense. So i wouldnt take their claims for much.

          That said while there is a clinical difference between physically and psychological addiction I personally vouch for a more open approach that different people can experience and suffer from addiction in multiple ways. There is also some evidence that similar to allergies some rare people can be physically addicted to anything.

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            Unfortunately, they already said blatantly in a response to me that it is physically addictive. I am waiting for evidence.

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                No, that is not evidence of physical addiction. People struggle to stop gambling. That doesn’t mean gambling is physically addictive.

                When I ask for evidence, I am asking for an academic study that agrees with you. That should have been obvious.

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                    You, again, could say the same about gambling. I think you aren’t providing any studies because studies would not agree with you.

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                    I met dozens if not hundreds of people who did exactly that. Most indefinitely. Usually without any therapeutic help.

                    Because it is not physically addictive. It can be psychologically addictive, yes, and some people really do struggle to stop using it. Though most users can quit relatively easy and usually do when they need to be more responsible in their life; ‘grow up’.

                    Can you find a scientific source supporting your stance? Something like (but rather the opposite of) “Recent data suggest that 30% of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.”?

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        Making/keeping drugs illegal is the biggest funding program for organized crime there ever has been in human history. Every serious criminologist will tell you that the war on drugs has never done anything against drug abuse.