IDF: Hamas is terrible; they use human shields!
also IDF:
Another day, another disgusting thing done by Israel. And another day other countries governments just don’t seem to give a shit. What the fuck.
What can other countries do? Invade? The US bullies Nato into compliance, the rest of the world can only sit there and be appalled.
What can other countries do?
Same they do to Russia. Freeze foreign money and ceace all trade
but… but that would be anti-semitic
Most of Israel’s trading partners are Nato or Nato aligned. They can’t sanction Israel because they will be sanctioned in turn by the US.
As an American we should sanction the fuck out of Israel. The founders would have revolted by now.
The US: “Oh no, more innocents died, that’s sad” sends more bombs
I’m definitely not equipped to have an answer, but it’s not right.
For those that haven’t seen it yet, here’s the newest Aljazeera video with hard video evidence of israel using Human Shields in Gaza. Even dressing them up as IDF soldiers and forcing them to clear buidlings
I first started following the Israeli-Palestinian conflict twelve years ago and the IDF were using Palestinians as human shields back then (and I believe well before then). While this is nothing new, seeing video evidence of it is so jarring, horrifying, and indefensible it has left me feeling shaken and infuriated at the wanton disregard for human life and international law.
Do you know of any version with English subs?
Someone posted this below it looks accurate.
I just used closed capation auto translate on the YouTube video.
“full-fledged”, unlike all the many, many, other only partially-fledged war crimes /s
Geneva suggestion misinterpretations
Yepp - condemnation it is!
“The most moral army in the world”
Almost as moral as the fullest void is full
I swear, if they accuse us of antisemitism for criticizing this move for the umpteenth time, I will checkmate them by saying that real Jews would never, ever, encourage this sort of behavior.
Why is it so easy to excuse Israel for this disgusting thing they’re doing?
real Jews would never, ever, encourage this sort of behavior.
I really wish that were true. I’m a Jew, and I am fully against this genocide and Israel’s hypocrisy in general, but Israel is full of real Jews who absolutely encourage this behavior. It’s sad, demoralizing, and shameful, especially for us “normal” Jews who see it for the evil that it is, but I’m not sure enough of the world realizes how normalized this kind of violence is in Israel. I’ve spent a lot of time there, and the vapid, bloodthirsty hatred for Palestinians is absolutely real, and many many more Jews than you or I would like to believe support these atrocities.
I’m a descendant of Holocaust survivors, with a sizable contingent of family that escaped Europe to Israel, and I frankly won’t be talking to any of them ever again now that I know they happily support genocide.
Truly what a depressing time we live in. 😪
I get what you’re saying but I think they’re trying to say anyone who would do this isn’t a real Jew. In the same way we try to disavow Christians who are punishing the poor and homeless.
Ah yeah that makes sense. Though in the past I’ve gotten in trouble for trying to say who is and who isn’t a “real” Jew (many an argument about Messianic Jews over the dinner table). But yeah, anyone who supports genocide doesn’t deserve my respect, so I’m okay calling them not real Jews.
Yeah but those are also real Christians.
I don’t consider them to be. If you want to be a Christian and you open that book to the old testament to preach at me about hurting minorities I’m just going to laugh and walk away.
And for anyone that has been following this conflict for more than just half a year, this isn’t new. Israel has been doing this for decades now. It’s fairly normal practice for them.
I found the first part where the guy was digging in the rubble, then later searching the tunnel to be inconclusive. I couldn’t tell who or what was going on.
However, the second part, where the guy is handcuffed in his underwear, surrounded by soldiers, then later on it looks like the same guy being herded through a building… that doesn’t look good. Someone below mentioned a possible prisoner swap. I don’t think prisoner swaps are handled like that.
Oh look more Credible Evidence of war crimes. And we’re just going to ignore it like everything else.
I’ll stand in front of you…
I’ll take the force of the blow… Projection.
What proves this footage is really what the article claims it to be? It’s a very specific explanation for what appears quite vague.
I just don’t want to go sharing something we cannot actually verify as true. There’s a lot of other stuff mentioned in the article a lot of which we know to be true, but that isn’t proof of this claim.
What exactly is vague about being naked (mostly) with hands tied behind their back while walking through a building? What explanation do you have for such an event?
Something like this could easily be a simple prisoner transfer. This is one idea.
In general, we don’t know the where, the why, or the who. Movies have worse scenes than this. Nothing is beyond fabrication. Why were they filming and who posted the video? There are myriad possibilities.
There are already many clear-cut reasons to be critical of Israel, but it should still matter what is actually fact and what is fiction, shouldn’t it?
Movies have worse scenes than this.
Heard it here first folks, if it’s in a movie, it’s not a war crime any more.
I’ll say that I mostly agree, it’s good to be critical and sceptical, but I do think that defense is well worse than lukewarm. I’d almost say if you treat your prisoners anywhere near as badly as they do in most movies, you’re already well into war crime territory.
It’s not a defense - I am just expressing how hard it is to really know what’s going on. It’s a good article though, and Common Dreams despite a strong liberal bias are known for factual reporting. There’s a good chance this is real, and that really sucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSbWuGSGOBo Here’s the video. There’s nothing vague about it.
You’re kidding me right? This is in Arabic for a start. I don’t speak Arabic. It looks on the face of it a vague as before otherwise. Help me out here.
You can press the closed captions button and click auto translate to English.
It’s a magical world out there.
TIL, thanks!
And we can trust what’s being said you think?
Yes of course. The narration matches the video evidence.
Hang on… So you aren’t going to trust a primary source from a country that doesn’t speak English, unless said source is in English? The fuck? Of course it’s in fucking Arabic, it was filmed in an Arabic-speaking country. Put it through a translator like the rest of the world did.
I posted a translated version yesterday. I will link it below. It took a dip in the internet JPEG fryer so quality is not as great anymore.
It’d be fantastic to not have the dramatic music and narrative overlay and have a translated version of the original footage and any dialogue that’s going on. We have Al Jazeera to blame for that though.
Israel using human shields was what bothered me in the video. To each their own.
And yet that’s the narrative, not necessarily what is actually going on. There’s a reason it’s not a story published on Reuters, or AP, or even English Al Jazeera that I can find at least. There’s plenty of criticism of Israel in all of these. No reason why they wouldn’t run a story with evidence of the IDF using human shields. They ran this story after all.
The Arab version of Al Jazeera publishes the good stuff. English media is censoredwhen it comes to anything NSFW that is not nudity related.
So you’re volunteering to go looking for explosives without drones, weapons, or any other equipment normally given to EOD soldiers? The idea that this footage is normal is ridiculous to anyone whose spent even a second in a western military.
Why isn’t it being reported on any other news service than Al Jazeera Arabic and Commom Dreams then? Am indictment against the IDF like this would absolutely be published in Reuters or the AP and many others.
The car hood event is a sample of one. You can’t prove a pattern of behavior of a military using human shields with that. That’s not how patterns work.
How many examples of using a human shield would you like?
I’m guessing it’s whatever there’s evidence for, and then one more. After all you’re down to nitpicking the subcategories of human shields.
More than one, for a start. The accusation is that there’s a pattern. One does not a pattern make.
Good because there’s two right there.
