Israel invaded their country and is committing genocide. It should come to no one’s surprise that Israel fucks around and finds out during a war they started.
There are chances the outcome would be different if hamas released hostages, or didn’t attack Israel on October 7th. Those things were not smart. It didn’t serve any good purpose. A smarter thing would have been to prepare for such an attack from Israel by building defenses to protect civilians at the very least.
No there are not, this has been ongoing for decades and decades. Things would not have magically improved, it would have continued to be a slow death sentence whilst the world ignored it.
What Hamas did, no matter how tragic, has done more to bring light and international support to the plight of the Palestinian peoples and exposed Israel as the monster it is than anything else ever has.
That didn’t worth it in my opinion. The level of international support is nowhere enough. And again, they could build defenses to decrease the number of victims.
Also the premise of “Israel is a monster” sentiment is hugely weakened by the monstrosity of the October attack itself.
No it’s not. More than one side can be monstrous in a conflict. “Yeah well but they did X so it’s okay that we did Y” is bible level reasoning aka no reasoning and pretty much what is causing the whole thing anyway.
The issue with Hamas existing is due to its founding charter, see https://www.adl.org/resources/article/hamas-its-own-words for details on this but a brief summary is that it does not permit Israel to exist, period. There’s no theoretical deal or goal to reach for the both of them to existing side by side in peace.
Yeah and?
Israel invaded their country and is committing genocide. It should come to no one’s surprise that Israel fucks around and finds out during a war they started.
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There are chances the outcome would be different if hamas released hostages, or didn’t attack Israel on October 7th. Those things were not smart. It didn’t serve any good purpose. A smarter thing would have been to prepare for such an attack from Israel by building defenses to protect civilians at the very least.
No there are not, this has been ongoing for decades and decades. Things would not have magically improved, it would have continued to be a slow death sentence whilst the world ignored it.
What Hamas did, no matter how tragic, has done more to bring light and international support to the plight of the Palestinian peoples and exposed Israel as the monster it is than anything else ever has.
That didn’t worth it in my opinion. The level of international support is nowhere enough. And again, they could build defenses to decrease the number of victims.
Also the premise of “Israel is a monster” sentiment is hugely weakened by the monstrosity of the October attack itself.
No it’s not. More than one side can be monstrous in a conflict. “Yeah well but they did X so it’s okay that we did Y” is bible level reasoning aka no reasoning and pretty much what is causing the whole thing anyway.
I agree, which is why I don’t support any monstrous regimes 🤷
You don’t have to pick a side, it’s a moral trap and being super loud about having an opinion doesn’t stop the bloodshed or justify any of it.
Just wondering, when do you think this war started?
This wasn’t an act of war, it was an act of terrorism. They shot passengers on a train. All casualties were civilian.
Exactly! This is why I say Israel has a right to defend itself while Hamas should not be allowed to exist.
Though recent events (like Israel’s pager attack) have made this argument much weaker…
Eh, Israel, Hamas, and Hezbollah all have the right to exist, and to defend themselves. But we have to define that pretty strictly.
Carpet-bombing Gaza isn’t defense.
Slaughtering music festival attendees is not defense.
Indiscriminate bomb planting and destination is not defense.
Shooting up a train station is not defense.
Bombing hospitals and aid trucks is not defense.
I draw the line at deliberately or recklessly killing civilians.
I otherwise agree with all your points.
The issue with Hamas existing is due to its founding charter, see https://www.adl.org/resources/article/hamas-its-own-words for details on this but a brief summary is that it does not permit Israel to exist, period. There’s no theoretical deal or goal to reach for the both of them to existing side by side in peace.
Hezbollah has similar issues.