• RangerAndTheCat@startrek.website
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    They’re tired and weary from the onslaught of war fringe to safe their country from Putins aggression. Any dig at their progress is a dig at morale that spreads not only through the ranks, but also to the general public. There is a time for constructive criticism, but that should be done in private with actual solutions offered by those criticizing. I understand their needs to be some decorum but you can’t blame them for what I would consider a mild retort as their countrymen die trying to retake their land everyday.

    • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Yeah, but like, they are their worst countrymen. Nazis and such. No one in the war stands to win anything. They will still pay their landlords and the corrupt banks for the right to live in now freshly burned down houses. Wages will stay super low, the wartime reduction becoming a reconstruction reduction whenever it ends. Anyone from Ukraine who is able to escape the nazis ought to defect to Russia where they would be taken care of a little better.

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        Hopping from a nation which employs fascist militia to a fascist-governed one isn’t a solution to anything. All fascists involved suck shit but sheesh, let’s not hope for a worse outcome

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          Hopping from a nation which employs fascist militia to a fascist-governed one isn’t a solution to anything. All fascists involved suck shit but sheesh, let’s not hope for a worse outcome

          Hopping from a country in which Nazism is official policy to one in which Nazism is outlawed. It really is exactly the same, which is why the people who say this always make excuses for Ukraine and the fascist dictatorship masquerading as democracy which is the USA.

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              There’s a recent story about Russia’s rehabilitation of Nazism law here:

              https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65024254

              It was implemented years ago, at which time the American corporate press did quite a lot of hand-wringing over protecting Nazis’ right to openly plan the extermination of Jews like me. When your own media sources are defending Nazism, maybe it’s time for a little self-examination and reflection?

              • h3doublehockeysticks [she/her]@hexbear.net
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                Okay but is Oleg Orlov a nazi? Like I googled the guy and all I can think is him being a fairly generic anticommunist and a person calling Putin a fascist, the raid in question seems to be because he is saying that the war in Ukraine is turning Russia into a totalitarian fascist state. Which doesn’t seem like a nazi thing to say.

                Edit: Also he put a couple of nazis in a database of people who were wrongfully repressed by stalin, which is pretty nazilike I gotta say. Although they said that was in error?

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                  I’m not an Orlov expert, but it sounds to me like he’s aligning with the West, which means aligning with Nazis. My point is that there is a law in Russia which says that you cannot rehabilitate Nazism. Though this law and its enforcement is imperfect, it is significant that such a law even exists, since we know that something like this could never exist in Ukraine or in the USA, since Nazism is so profoundly pervasive in these places.

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                  When you respond to evidence with one-liners that amuse no one, you reveal yourself to be dwelling in a fantasy realm no different from the one inhabited by Nazis. That strategy didn’t work out well for them.

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                    Interesting

                    Edit: disappointed. the punch line, the beef, the point, the message never came. People put your money where your mouth is. We demand more than vague innuendo

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      It’s not about decorum, it’s about the pointless deaths of hundreds of thousands.

      Not trying to hate, but you narrowed in on excusing Ukraine for saying a mean thing to the West and its supporters. Reexamine your priorities.