• wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    1 year ago

    The best way to defend your home is to stop the bombs from falling on it. Unless you’re not talking about people’s homes, families, and friends, but rather talking about some arbitrary line in the sand that people should be sent to die for.

    • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip
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      1 year ago

      Then why oh why aren’t you applying your reasoning to Russia? They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory.

      If it’s all just pointless bloodshed over lines on a map, why isn’t Russia staying home? All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back.

      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back

        Not that Russia isn’t taking casualties, but why do Ukraine supporters act like they’re not the ones feeding their people into the meat grinder? Russia is dug in. You’re sending children and old men into a turkey shoot.

      • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory.

        Yeah, that’s definitely what’s going on here picard

      • TheCaconym [any]@hexbear.net
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        They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory.

        Why do you think Russia invaded, exactly ? they started the whole conflict after decades of making NATO encroachment along their borders a clear red line and being very clear what would happen if it was crossed

        The US still kept meddling in Ukraine (and other post-soviet states), with Russia making every effort short of war to try and stop that - like offering loans just as large as the IMF loans for example, except without asking for the batshit insane austerity measures the latter did

        Then the CIA backed a far-right coup there in 2014, and much of the following years were spent with NATO financing and training nazi soldiers there in preparation of trying to take back Crimea, while breaking the Minsk agreements in the meantime (I’ll pass on the various atrocities and huge reframing of nazi criminals as national heroes in Ukraine there at the same period, since it’s barely related, but it is worth a mention too)

        Now both Ukrainian and Russian people are dying. A peace deal would stop that.

        • cpjoa@discuss.tchncs.de
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          I wonder what part of this is supposed to justify Russia’s indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations

        • Apollo@sh.itjust.works
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          1 year ago

          Are you suggesting that Russian aggression is justified because they demanded something of a sovereign nation which was refused?

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          Russia can cry about their red line all they want, but it wasn’t in the treaty. The Revolutions of 1989 made it clear Eastern Europeans weren’t interested in Russian control, the Balkans were unstable, and the Chechen & Georgian wars stoked fear in the former Soviet states. All NATO had to do was open their doors, and again, nothing in the treaty forbade it.

    • Nythos@sh.itjust.works
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      1 year ago

      I mean sure but what’s the point in peace talks if all it would do is just give Russia more time to prep to try the same shit they’ve been doing for decades now.