• Cerbero@lemmy.world
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    Thing also is that those people were also hated during thier time and also called terrorists. There’s no good options for a leader sadly.

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      I was alive when Nelson Mandela was active, and he wasn’t called a terrorist in the west.

      He was revered as a hero by many in the West, just like Navalny is revered today.

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        By some people, sure. But Mandela and the ANC were designated terrorists by Reagan’s government in 1986, and this wasn’t changed until 2008. It’s definitely untrue that he wasn’t called a terrorist in the west.Source.

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            Unofficial support does not matter as much as official position recognised internationally. USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler’s twink ass.

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              USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler’s twink ass.

              Lol fucking what? The USSR militarily supported the Nazis until they were attacked

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                The USSR militarily supported the Nazis until they were attacked

                Thanks for lying out of your teeth. You are practicing Hitler’s Big Lie principles remarkably well.

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                    SoCiAliStS aRe NaZiS

                    This is what I read. Did you, in good faith, forget to mention that its true, non-masked name, is “Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics”? A ceasefire pact is not a “we are friends” pact, but a pact to not bomb the fuck out of each other. Why did Soviets few years later hold parts of Berlin and Germany to purge Nazis, as Allied Forces worked under USSR to defeat Hitler? Why did Allied Forces not agree to align with USSR and defeat Nazi Germany, until Hitler’s regime internally failed with munitions and USSR was well on the way to defeat Hitler?

                    Do you know that the real “we are friends” energy radiates not out of a ceasefire pact between USSR and Nazi Germany, but between USA and Nazi Germany, considering USA was the basis for all of Hitler’s racial segregation policies? Straight from a CIA news outlet. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/

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        A lot of people seem the think he was only regarded well once released from prison. I certainly didn’t know much about him until then.

        Yet Only Fools and Horses was made in 1981, and they lived in Nelson Mandela House. So even in the UK we knew South Africa was on the wrong side of history. And we should know, we wrote most of it…

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        So were the IRA…

        And yet now here we are with Sinn Fein holding elected positions.

        At some point there has to be dialogue otherwise you just keep killing one another.

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        As opposed to the IDF that’s been terrorizing Palestinians constantly?

        It’s terrorists in both sides. Unfortunately civilians are the ones caught in the crossfire.