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Meloni heads Italy’s most rightwing government since the second world war. Italy’s criminal code punishes with a fine ranging from €1,000 to €5,000 anyone who “publicly defames the republic”, which includes the government, parliament, the courts and the army.
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It’s not defamation if it’s true. Getting punished for stating the obvious is the hallmark of a fascist state. It’s fishy that the original video from Repubblica has been removed.
Per Wikipedia:
Defamation, at a first approximation, is any form of communication that can injure a third party’s reputation.
So it might be slander, dpending on Italy’s laws. :(
That might apply to the ‘piece of shit’ part, but the ‘fascist’ and ‘racist’ part are true, and not damaging her reputation, as her reputation with her voters is built upon these
Meloni is definitely far-right, and comes from a historically fascist party. So he is just stating the facts here.
Do you mean the well the well known racist and fascist Giorgia Meloni?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandra_Mussolini , proud member of Forza Italia and defender of her grandfather.
She blocked me on Twitter just for telling her a really cool fact: there’s an emoji of her grandfather. It’s this one! 🙃
She did good, clearly you werent looking for a discussion …
Fascists don’t deserve a discussion.
Than don’t complain when they block you XD
Literal actual fascists behaving like fascists, surprise surprise.
Yeah this was my thought reading this, too.
Who woulda thunk that when you give the fascists power, they don’t stop being fascists! #surprisedpikachu
how to tell if youre in a facist state:
the person accusing the facist goes to jailNobody went to jail.
Then it’s not a fascist state. Moving on
Pretty much. I don’t think people here know what a fascist state really is…
Historically, fascists didn’t start off with genocide. First, they got democratically elected…
Not what’s happening now,like at all XD
The nazis started by targeting lgbtq+ people. I wonder what scapegoat the far right has settled on these days?
Exactly like how it’s happening in every other country…
As Porco Rosso said: “I’d rather be a pig than a fascist”. Be like Porco Rosso…
Meloni, 46, heads Italy’s most rightwing government since the second world war. Italy’s criminal code punishes with a fine ranging from €1,000 to €5,000 (£858 to £4,290) anyone who “publicly defames the republic”, which includes the government, parliament, the courts and the army.
Wow. Ok then…I guess technically he did violate that law and so it shouldn’t matter how fucked up that law is with respect to an investigation being done about it, but can we still talk about how fucked up that law is in an EU country? Yeah I know Italy’s a little bit different and such, but goddamn.
W would have loved to have had something like this when the Dixie Chicks got out of line over Iraq (though his response quoted there seems oddly…reasonable? ehh, fuck W): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy
They have it in a lot of other countries in Europe too. Its fucking disgusting and constantly abused by conservatives. You also see it being used against people who insult the church in certain countries.
It’s far from being a problem imho all of these are extremely rare and often don’t go anywhere
Didn’t the world fight a world war to stop this kind of government from taking full control over a people?
Not really
“Giorgia Meloni, piece of shit, fascist, racist,” Molko shouted in Italian, as seen in fan videos from the concert posted on social media.
That’s not defamation, that’s a factual news update.
Even calling it a news update isn’t really accurate. It’s more akin to “water is wet.”
Gotta love the dipshits in the replies pushing the whole “the left calls anyone who disagrees with them a fascist!!1!” while conveniently leaving out any and all context as to what they’re disagreeing about. ~Cherri
TIL about Italy’s shunning of their past in contrast to the “collective guilt” felt by Germans after WWII
The fact that the Italian military & it’s leaders were spared from the Nuremberg Trials made this all the easier.
Italy has a real hardware love for fascism, it’s part of the culture, unfortunately. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go full Nazi in the coming decades.
Italy has a real hardware love for fascism
yup even italian computers are infected
I swear to god that I typed hardcore. lol
After WW2 italian socialist and communist parties where between the strongest ones in non USRR europe (if not the number one), but let’s just spout random nonsense for no reason
While the extreme right wing never disappeared, they were as much as a niche as the extreme left.
The country stayed between the left and the center until well into the 90s when a moderate right became more prominent and started to be closer to a 50/50 split
The general right wing radicalization we’re seeing now is way more recent and it’s hardly a phenomenon exclusive to Italy.
I totally agree that the current Italian government is ridiculous and that this problem with extreme right wing populism is becoming very serious in most western countries, Italy included.
But comparing this to a culture ingrained love for fascism when fascism didn’t last for even 1% of Italian history and culture is just asinine and ignorant.
This kind of attitude is ironically very similar to the racism you’re trying to criticize
With operation Gladio Italy was the core place for neonazi terrorist groups that received paramilitary training and funding by the US and carried out multiple terrorist attacks to be blamed on the left. It is hard to believe that the Italian government wouldnt have known and tolerated theses activities too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
So they’re not even pretending to have free speech anymore.
In a lot of ways, the fascism that Italy invented never left. I had hopes 20-30 years ago, but they have been roundly dashed.
XD I’m having a lot of fun reading the clueless comments of people that know nothing about Italy.
Lol these laws are never enforced
Except when you piss off a fascist, apparently.
Nah not even then
So no freedom of speech?
Yeah, wtf?
In a democratic state it is imperative that the population is free to criticize their government.
What is the EU saying about this? Don’t they have demands on member states to uphold democratic values?
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Lol wut XD
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wait are you talking about the right to be forgotten?
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In your dreams XD
You’re free to be super duper racist, sexist, ableist, pretty much any kind of discrimination you want. Isn’t that enough?
No, I want talking shit about governments without government punishment. Ya know, freedom of speech
Yeah we do,these laws are not commonly enforced if ever.
In other words the law is only enforced if you piss off the wrong people. Great system.
No,not even then :)
I’ve been surprised that some western countries have laws like this. A French woman has also been fined for insulting Macron.
It’s almost like making laws against free speech is a slippery slope.
It can be, but not all speech is free, not even in the US.
Them’s fighting words.
Nope. There’s a bunch of thoughts and speech acts that don’t contribute anything. There’s a reason the swastika and other Nazi codes/insignia are outlawed in Germany. “We just need to exterminate the Jews for a better life for everyone else” is similarly outlawed under an incitement to genocide clause.
There are very good reasons to put barriers on absolutely free speech.
What i meant was actually, fighting words are not protected under free speech in the USA. Not disagreeing, just making a funny.
Not just that, slander, defamation, hate speech, harassment can all be speech yet you can get sued and will have to pay for that sort of speech. Actually the US is basically the same as most other western countries, the „only the US allows free speech“-simpletons couldn’t be further off.
Fascist gonna crybully
I’m sure Placebo, a British band, doesn’t give a single dry fuck what this stupid Italian fascist wants to investigate.
Someone is about to learn what “Streisand Effect” means.
