Exposing children to social media.
Putting your kids on social media publicly.
The kids that grew up with it will probably see the harm caused and not want to pass that on.
I agree with you fundamentally. How do you feel about social media that is decentralized, open source, and non-corporate like Lemmy, Friendica, Pixelfed, et? I think these decentralized platforms are much less toxic because toxic people quickly get banned and shared with others. Furthermore, I think that with proper education of what social media is and what the positives and negatives are - including adverse consequencies - could be very beneficial. When social media is done in a positive way, it can be a great way to build friendships and exchange ideas and information. That much said the corporate social media is awful and in no way would I want to subject children to it as it could set them up for psychological trauma with real and lasting consequences to their mental health.
Hopefully for profit health care, but I’m not holding my breath.
Definitely don’t hold your breath.
If you pass out and hit your head, do you know how much that would cost to go to urgent care?
Hopefully tipping.
Stealing water from neighboring clans. Driving cars without spikes.
Not being 100% available 24/7/365 will become even less acceptable than its already become.
Meat eating is a possibility. I don’t see it being universal, but veganism is on the ride and it makes sense to a lot of people.
It’s just not sustainable. Lab-grown meat is here, it just needs to get to scale, get a bit cheaper and boom. Farming and killing animals for food will be obsolete.
When the quality and cost of labgrown meat matches the real thing - we’ll see the tables turn. Especially if they’re able to produce various *cuts^ and styles.
Even beyond that, I wouldn’t underestimate the power of cultural change. From what I can tell, drugs, sex and clearly defined gender identities are all on the decline in the younger generations in the west. I’m not sure there’s any good or clear external force pushing this. I think it’s just change. When it comes to eating meat, it’s pretty easy to start thinking through why you don’t need to do it as much as the typical western diet does, which feels pretty ripe for some form of merely cultural change.
May not be widely accepted, but it is accepted in a good chunk of the world.
- Being a Bigot
- Being Racist
- Being Sexist
Bigotry is still active, just different groups. Racism is definitely still active, just different groups (look up stats on violence against Asians or their chances of getting into the Ivy Leagues). Human nature is so strong, I admire and doubt your optimism.
Sexism being actively obsolete in 20 years is possible and would be a good start.
Yes, I know they are still active, that’s kind of the point I was making. I’m saying if things go as they look to be, then hopefully they won’t be in 20 or so years. If they are just as active as they are now, or even more so, then hopefully asteroid 2044 takes care of the planet once and for all.
Yeah, I don’t see any of those things changing. I’ve read too many history books and they’re traits of our species, not minor blips.
Well, if they don’t then the world can burn, and I hope it does if not.
They won’t.
The traits you describe are as old as the human race itself, and even with the vast knowledge we now possess, they’re still endemic to the human experience. They’re built into our DNA.
Then the world deserves to burn.
SUVs.
There really is no need to haul 3 tons of steel around with you, and as more and more extreme weather events happen you’ll have more and more people looking around for others to blame, and oversized cars which are clearly unnecessary for work (especially the ones with Internal Combustion Engines) make for big very visible targets, with the added factor that in some places they’re seen as conspicuous displays of wealth (and flaunting wealth will be another thing that’s likely to become frowned upon within the next 2 decades).
Not saying that SUVs are all to blame or even that the rich ride them (in my experience they’re more the cars of a certain middle class), but they’re in that spot of being abundant enough and yet only a minority of cars, easy to spot, often imposing in a showoffish way and logically more poluting that smaller cars, all this right when the impact of Global Warming is really and properly starting to be felt, something which at the current rate will get much worse in 2 decades.
Also, unlike big oil companies SUV owners don’t have PR departments with hundreds of millions of dollars of budget to sway the press and swindle the useful idiots.
This thread title is unfortunately about what “you think will” not “you hope and wish and pray will”, so super hard disagree. Electric cars are actually going bigger to account for huge batteries, and heavier because of them. Given that’s the upswing I find it hard to predict a sudden shift to smaller cars.
The only way it happens (and 20 years is a very long time, so it’s possible) is if cars become so expensive and mostly subscription model based like everything else, that car ownership goes down. If driverless electric cars become fleet vehicles in cities, you’d definitely see smaller cars becoming more common to have more on the road and privately replace public infrastructure because we can’t invest in that in the USA. So like Uber just illegally ran taxi services in many jurisdictions until it became too popular to fail, expect the same thing from driverless car fleets, a couple of which will get bought by Uber or Lyft. Young people are driving WAY less, so if they prefer to hail a direct driverless taxi to their destination and not pay to own a car, then the bulk of vehicles on the road could downsize. Private passenger cars though, would start being used for more long haul driving instead of the 99% short trips they’re currently used in, so I don’t see any downward size pressure on those.
yeah right americans will totally overcome car-based infrastructure brainwashing and learn to hate the thing that they base their identity on totally
just like the confederate flag, totally died out when racism became uncool. and I think you’re especially accurate that a widescale global disaster will definitely change people’s thinking, that always happens and never redouble their biases with insane conspiracy theories driven by billionaire backed media campaigns
You’re disputing something I didn’t actually state.
I very explicitly went for SUVs because I actually believe the same as you when it comes to cars in general: 20 years is far too little time for people to completelly turn away from the, especially in car-loving countries with horrible public infrastructure for anything else, like the US.
Sacrificing a minority segment of the car market to appease the masses is not all that hard in 2 decades, whilst completelly changing the transportation infrastructure is damn near impossible.
Fair point! I still disagree insofar as I doubt it will happen in 20 years, but that seems less absurd to believe when you put it that way
Eating factory farmed meat. With the way politics is headed there will be some politician at some point in the future trying desperately to defend his high beef consumption in what will become known as Burgergate.
Also, islamophobia in the context of defending religious nutjobs. For instance, it is islamophobic to complain about a muslim (Sikh, in reality) man at an airport because he “looks like a terrorist”. It is not islamophobic to suggest that female students should be allowed in public schools just like male students. Both of these things have actually happened, very recently, and the latter was defended because people were scared shitless of being called islamophobic. We have to have some minimum human rights standards that religion cannot interfere with, and blatant sex-based discrimination is one of them. I do not give a flying fuck what your religion teaches you.
How much sedentary time we spend in front of screens. We already know it is ruining our eyes and our sleep cycles.
I think it depends more on what you’re doing on those screens. I regularly download books from my local library to read on my phone. People used to read paper books, newspapers, and magazines all the time. Same shit, different means of consumption.
20 years ago was 2003… any idea what was socially acceptable then that isn’t now?
Not much, really. 20 years isn’t a lot of time.
Think 50 years, or 100 years.
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Not really, that was all not cool in 2003 as well. You might be thinking of 1993 or even 1983.
I remember anything bad was “gay” in 2003, and greedy/stingy people were told to stop being such “jews”.
The school-yard game where you tried to keep possession of a football for as long as possible while everyone else tried to strip it away or tackle you was called “smear the queer”.
Bowling alleys and bars had a visible haze of cigarette smoke.
Yeah, it was bad.
Homophobia was more common in 2003 but hadn’t be socially acceptable for about a decade before that. Transphobia I’ll give you.
That heavily depended on the area you were in - both geographically and topically. Should we let them die from AIDs, discussed in a major metro? You’d likely be shunned, but not by everyone. Should we let them get married, almost anywhere? Debated by a minority, mostly against in all but they must liberal of places. Should we let them around kids, or are they trying to “turn” you? Lots of people had very homophobic takes on that anywhere.
2003 was right in the middle of the tv show Will and Grace’s famous culture shifting run, but it absolutely wasn’t done yet. Pew’s long-running survey showed in '03 only 47% of people saying we should approve of homosexuality. Not domestic partnerships, not gay marriage, literally just “being gay” was minority approved. If you think casual homophobia wasn’t totally normal in 03, go watch Friends, the most popular sitcom in America at the time. Go watch Seinfeld’s famous “not that there’s anything wrong with that” episode… admittedly a few years earlier, but set in one of the most gay-friendly places in America, and little had changed in the intervening years.
Gay rights and acceptance has had a meteoric rise in the last 20 years. I think that’s why young people see this new wave of anyi-LGBT stuff so shocking, but for anyone that was around it’s only shocking if you have a bad memory. It was bad just yesterday.
Wasn’t that episode of Seinfeld pretty revolutionary for it’s time and still lauded by the LGBTQ+ community as groundbreaking? You’re talking about it as if it mocked gays, but it was and still is seen as a groundbreaking episode of one of the biggest TV shows in history, and it helped normalize homosexuality. Did you just get Seinfeld Effected?
That’s…exactly my point. Go watch it today. It’s cringey because they don’t want to be perceived as gay. Lots of stuff that was very forward thinking at the time doesn’t hold up. And the fact that it was groundbreaking further cements that things have changed incredibly from when those attitudes were common.
Killing for pleasure.
You say that’s already not acceptable? But I was talking about non-human animals and taste pleasure.
That’s gonna take a lot more than 20 years
Nah. Don’t think we have that long to change.
Is there a single country on this planet that has even brought it up? Hunting and fishing aren’t going away in the lifetime of someone born today m8 I’m sorry.
Driving ICE cars.
Driving
ICEcars.Yes, I agree on this with you, like cars are extremely inefficient way of transportation, especially considering how overcrowded our cities are and the general trend of making bigger and bigger cars that take even more space on the streets, on the parkings, etc.
Nope.
It’s insane to me how the fuckcars movement went from “we should have walkable cities and more public transport” to “ban all cars”.
The stupidity of not realizing that farmers, plumbers, electricians, etc. need cars to keep modern society working is baffling to me. Not to mention that they fully expect people to go grocery shopping every single day, or it never crosses their mind because they have no idea what it takes to feed a large family.
It’s insane to me how the fuckcars movement went from “we should have walkable cities and more public transport” to “ban all cars”.
have you read the sidebar of the fuckcars communities?
From Wiki (emphasis mine):
The car-free movement is a broad, informal, emergent network of individuals and organizations, including social activists, urban planners, transportation engineers, environmentalists and others, brought together by a shared belief that large and/or high-speed motorized vehicles (cars, trucks, tractor units, motorcycles, etc.)[1] are too dominant in most modern cities. The goal of the movement is to create places where motorized vehicle use is greatly reduced or eliminated, by converting road and parking space to other public uses and rebuilding compact urban environments where most destinations are within easy reach by other means, including walking, cycling, public transport, personal transporters, and mobility as a service.
From Reddit (emphasis mine):
Discussion about the harmful effects of car dominance on communities, environment, safety, and public health. Aspiration towards more sustainable and effective alternatives like mass transit and improved pedestrian and cycling infrastructure.
From lemmy (emphasis mine):
An place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let’s explore the bad world of Cars!
Equating the fuckcars movement to “ban all cars” is like equating climate change to “ban all oil”.
Not to mention that they fully expect people to go grocery shopping every single day, or it never crosses their mind because they have no idea what it takes to feed a large family.
My aunt feeds a family of five. She does not own a car, nor does she do grocery shopping every day. You know what’s the answer? You had it right - “we should have walkable cities and more public transport”.
have you read the sidebar of the fuckcars communities?
Yes, and I’ve also seen the posts and comments. Which is more representative of the actual community.
I see posts and comments talking about how rail isn’t better, bike lanes aren’t more widespread, how too many parking lots is an issue… I don’t see anyone saying cars should be banned outright.
Should have added a winky face. We can’t ban cars, but definitely need to use cars less. Mostly a joke about how the current state of EVs is just green washing.
That’s fair.
I was mostly venting my frustration over those silly posts anway. Since as long as humans have physical bodies, we will at times need individual transportation. And they sometimes act like literally everything in life can be done through public transport and excpeting people to bring home a couch on the bus.
These people live in a tiny little bubble, but the glass is dirty and they can’t see outside. They probably have zero idea where their food comes from and how far it had to travel to make it to their wholefoods, or how different the lives of the people that grow it are to their own.
Publicly releasing a crime suspect’s name before conviction. Can’t believe that’s legal, may as well call them guilty until proven innocent.
I read somewhere that doing that makes it harder for the police to just “disappear” you
Civilization is declining, the things that were considered rude when things were worse are going to make a comeback.
Civilization is declining
Says who? Jordan Peterson? humans have made more progress in the last 30 years than ever before
Oof. I really hope I’m not turning into that sack of used hemorrhoid cream. I’m fully aware of the progress, that’s why watching the the rapid regression is so depressing. I actually hope I’m just wrong, but if I’m not, I’m quite sure trans people aren’t to blame, so at least I got that going for me.
Hang in there buddy
It’s often an emotional message, not a rational one, that says the world is in decline. That emotion is real and meaningful, but not necessarily one that tells the full story. Humans have remarkable staying power.
