• bc93@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    The wealthy elite get their position through violence and exploitation, not by taking advantage of people’s poor decision-making - this reminds me of that “why don’t homeless people just buy a house” kind of attitude.

    Anarchists are all about rules and regulations, as long as they’re non-hierarchical - to the extent that one of the major phrases associated with anarchism is “Anarchy is order”, and the well recognised symbol of the A within the O. For example, you could agree with a group of friends to take turns to be the designated driver - any of you can freely and voluntarily decide to get a taxi, but you decide to work together for the benefit of the group. If someone takes advantage of the benefit without taking their turn, you’ll quickly all agree to stop driving that friend. This is a really simplified example of how anarchism works.

    I’d encourage you to seek out and read more about it. It’s a very sensible and coherent ideology.

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      The wealthy elite get their position through violence and exploitation

      Yes, exactly, exploiting people’s poor decisions. Like predatory loans.

      this reminds me of that “why don’t homeless people just buy a house” kind of attitude.

      You are intentionally taking away the wrong message.

      Anarchists are all about rules and regulations

      …what? LOL that’s the polar opposite of anarchy…

      I’d encourage you to seek out and read more about it.

      Oh ok sure, let me do that:

      anarchy noun an·ar·chy ˈa-nər-kē -ˌnär-

      1a: absence of government

      b: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority

      c: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

      2a: absence or denial of any authority or established order

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        Predatory loans is a great example - they’re not taken out because people have bad decision making ability but because they’re left with no other choices. If you’re poor and you’re struggling to make ends meet, your credit card is already maxed out because you had to fix your car and you can’t afford groceries what other option do you have other than a short term loan?

        Quoting the dictionary isn’t how you learn about things! You know that, you little rascal! If youre interested in the etymology, the term anarchism comes from the greek “an archos”, e.g. without hierarchy. It is possible to have laws without hierarchy.

        An absence of state, definitely. Government? Depends on your definition of government but if you take it to mean state then sure. Lawlessness and disorder, definitely not - I’ve been to several anarchist collective groups and they’re some of the most well-structured, organised and managed events going.

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          5 months ago

          Predatory loans is a great example

          Yes it is.

          they’re not taken out because people have bad decision making ability but because they’re left with no other choices.

          Bruh have you forgotten about the global recession of 2006? There were people that had 4 and 5 houses.

          You’ve never heard of the auto loan scams?

          Never heard of the mobile home scams?

          None of those situations are improved by people taking out loans they know they can’t afford.

          Quoting the dictionary isn’t how you learn about things!

          So…how am I supposed to learn, exactly? You’re going to tell me? Wikipedia says something similar. If there’s another definition, that’s not the one I was referring to. But you knew that, didn’t you?

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            Sure, go read the Wikipedia article, that’ll give you a solid foundation! I’d suggest the Conquest of Bread if you’re interested, or google “what is Anarchism”

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              5 months ago

              Have they considered renaming the movement? It’s a bit like “believe all women” or “anti-work”. You’re shooting yourself in the foot by using words with concrete definitions that don’t mean what you’re trying to convey.

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                5 months ago

                It’s the other way around - because the establishment has so much to fear from anarchism, they peddle anti-anarchist propaganda. If we renamed anarchism, they’d just do the same thing. Anarchism does exactly what the name implies - against heirarchies.

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                    5 months ago

                    I’m not really sure I understand what you mean, sorry. Lots of people have misconceptions and some of those misconceptions are intentionally fed to us. You know, propaganda and such? Lots of people have a really skewed perception of what anarchism is, so I guess that makes them wrong about anarchism, if that’s what you mean!