• FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
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    5 months ago

    Not how US Elections work. Only the winner writes the laws, if you want election reform then vote Dem. If you want Trump, don’t vote dem. Those are the only two options, voting third party does nothing to help. The cumulative sum of all EC Votes given to third party candidates in the USA for 47 years is 0, and we’re risking a lot by not firmly establishing DNC leadership as the lesser evil.

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      5 months ago

      I’m not American, but there’s no fucking way I’d ever vote for a candidate that supported genocide, even if the second most popular candidate is someone who supports double genocide.

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      5 months ago

      No. Biden must be worthy of the office on his own merits. Or else this voting thing is useless. the people cannot hold their officials accountable if they must vote for them. That’s just an oligarchy with extra steps.

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        5 months ago

        No. You have a responsibility to help the people that you can. Doing nothing while a worse person takes office is the same as you advocating for harm, directly.

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            5 months ago

            Trump is leading in the majority of polls, you’re not going to be able to pressure anybody when he wins.

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              5 months ago

              That’s irrelevant. Trump is not the President. Pressuring him will do us no good.

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                Lmao, feigning ignorance of a US Election in a comment thread that literally started by talking about the US Election.

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                  Trump has the advantage of being a challenger, he can just say shit. Biden needs to be pressured right now, to save people right now. Is that more clear to you?

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        5 months ago

        So who’s worthy of the office that has a chance to win in November then?

        Let’s see you name someone.

        It’s easy to suggest people not vote- but let’s see you offer up a candidate in Biden’s stead since you hate him so much.

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            Nope. Name someone. Because leaving the field blank doesn’t negate an election. Someone is still going to be president.

            Name someone.

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                So there it is. You cannot answer a simple question to support your entire ideology.

                Just:

                “biDeN bAD!” … but no alternative suggestions. Which clearly shows you are here in to disrupt.

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                  My entire ideology here is not to support genocide. Everything else has been your projection.

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                    You absolutely WILL be supporting genocide by allowing trump to get elected

                    Bit you know that. Don’t you?

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              How the fuck is it fascism to use a feature of a democracy? You’ve gone completely off the cliff.

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                The part where Representative Democracy involves Voting to elect a leader, not just voting as a symbolic gesture.

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                  How is voting only for people you actually want running the country in any way symbolic? Versus just always voting for a color. This is possibly the most ridiculous thing you’ve said to me in the last few weeks.

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                    You understate how voting works, right? Like… this was taught to you as some point? Because if You don’t, then I can excuse the ignorance. Otherwise, you really should know better.

                    Not voting won’t cancel an election. Someone is STILL getting elected. So you can either go with “genocide Lite,” or SUPER-MEGA-ULTRA-GYRO GENOCIDE 3000 v2.0.

                    But you’re getting one or the other regardless. You have the choice to help this country along with those in Palestine from suffering worse.

                    And it provenly will be worse.

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                    Because then you’re voting for an outcome that won’t exist, or even no outcome at all, and meanwhile somebody far worse gets elected instead.