- Ukraine destroyed columns of waiting Russian soldiers with HIMARS, a Ukrainian commander said.
- He said Ukraine targeted them as soon as it got permission to use allied weapons across the border.
- Military experts say Ukraine’s ability to use Western-supplied weapons in Russia is aiding its fightback.
I wish they didn’t have to wait for things like this. It sucks that Ukraine is at the whims of other countries while it’s trying to fight to maintain its sovereignty.
It makes me so depressed thinking about how many thousands of Ukrainian lives could’ve been saved by just giving Ukraine full and enthusiastic support immediately instead of dragging it out this long.
This was done on purpose so the crisis didn’t escalate. There’s no world police to prevent Russia from nuking everyone. It’s better for outside actors to focus on de-escalation anyway.
Also, Putin is not doing this because of Ukraine. I mean that’s part of it, but he is doing it for domestic appeal. He wants to appear tough to Russian citizens. Two situations allow that: beating Ukraine easily, and losing to NATO forces. He knows NATO will not risk invading Russia, so he’s in no real danger from the second one.
NATO is intentionally not intervening because it makes Putin look weak domestically. Russia has created their own problem and the war will not end until the people of Russia demand it.
Good. Make Russian civilians see the horrors of the war they support personally.
Saw this video on my feed which uhhhhh NSFL (Death) https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1805588024803074447
Also lmao at everyone condemning Hamas but Russian civilians being targeted gets them cheering.
How close to the port is that beach?
How close to the military bases were those Kibbutzes?
Wuh-wuh-wuhddabout… Get a new tactic. That one is completely worn out at this point.
For our other readers, those missiles were intended for the military facilities nearby and were shot down by Russian AA and debris fell on the beach (hence the lack of explosions)
If the comment said “I hope israeli civilians see the horrors or war” I’m sure you would be just as generous with your thought process. Oh wait you’d be calling him straight up Genocidal.
There is no whataboutism cluster munitions are illegal and this is a war crime. This is not debris this is the ATACKMS filled with m74 bomblets.
Just be consistent in your morals. This is like someone defending Hamas gunning down non combatants.
cluster munitions are illegal
Well, depends on the country. For example, if you are in Ukraine or russia (and surprisingly, Finland) they are legal.
Hamas and israel said they killed no innocents so therefore it’s legal.
Assad uses nerve gas? That’s legal in Syria. Aint a crime if it’s legal! case closed everyone!
Fun fact, there are only two major countries that employ cluster munitions the United States and Russia. Everybody else has banned them. Since Ukraine is using almost exclusively Russian and American stocks of munitions for this war…
What does the proximity of the kibbutzes to Israeli military bases have to do with anything? Did Hamas accidentally murder civilians in their homes while trying to go after legit targets?
“Oops, we missed the military base and accidentally cut this old guys head off with a garden hoe and machine gunned some families hiding in their homes! Honest mistake!”
The guy said “I hope Russian civilians see the horrors of war”
And using cluster munitions is banned. Did Ukraine oopsie a wrong rocket? Honest mistake!
And using cluster munitions is banned.
TFW you don’t know how treaties work
So if israel kills Palestinian civilians… first does Hamas get the right to kill israelis indiscriminately?
You don’t know how international law works. Cluster munitions are banned. But sure keep on defending civilians being killed. Just a very reasonable person on Lemmy defending the killing of Russian civilians after someone wishes they see the horrors of war.
Civilians weren’t intentionally targeted by Ukraine, unlike Hamas, who happily murders children.
Less than 3% of the israelis killed by Hamas on October7 were children.
40% of the people killed by this “unintentional cluster bombing” were children
Mhhh
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Last thing I remember yesterday many condemned Israel for announcing it’s land development program that is gossiped as planned on occupied territories. Today there were news of a shitbag minister who voiced a plan to take the West Bank under a military rule (and to convert it into profits?), and I don’t see many support to him there as well. Would it be too cynical to ask wtf these settlers would be doing there?
Condemning israel is like condemning Russia when they kill civilians. Rather easy. Of course people were praising israel initially but we’re past that.
The fun part is now the Ukrainan resistance is doing what the Palestinian resistance was doing and asking why people react so differently.
Where’s the fun part? I oversimplified this comparison because I felt you did so too.
The fun part is watching people do mental gymnastics to condemn Hamas but praise Ukraine. Both have committed war crimes while resisting occupation, but we seemingly only care when one of them does so.
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Ukraine is fighting to survive.
Yes that’s what Hamas is doing. They are in a far more precarious spot than Ukraine too. Israel was committing Genocide in Gaza far before Oct7. Which makes the comparison wrong.
Russia is comparable to israel. Invading and annexing land by killing people. Hamas is the party resisting occupation just like Ukraine.
If we put the double standards away everyone would start condemning Ukraine right now like they were/are condemning Hamas. Using cluster munitions on civilians is not a great look. What’s different? How the media sells the story?
Who’s using cluster munitions on civilians? The missile was intercepted on the way to it’s actual target. They weren’t targeting that beach
That might be what happened. But as we see the cluster bombs did not explode during interception. Instead they landed all over a beach of people on annexation vacation. There’s a reason why cluster bombs are banned.
But in any case. These are the “horrors of war” which the original commenter was hoping Russian civilians would be seeing no?
There’s a reason why cluster bombs are banned.
By whom?
https://disarmament.unoda.org/convention-on-cluster-munitions/
The Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM) prohibits under any circumstances the use, development, production, acquisition, stockpiling and transfer of cluster munitions, as well as the assistance or encouragement of anyone to engage in prohibited activities. The text of the Convention is available for download in the six official UN languages: عربي, 中文, English, français, русский, español.
Russian civilians weren’t targeted, the missile was intercepted by russian air defense on its way to a military target. The shrapnel happened to fall on that beach.
Edit: If you’re thinking of holidaying in an active warzone, perhaps reconsider.
That was an ATACM missile with a cluster bomb warhead. Not “shrapnel”.
Edit: If you’re thinking of holidaying in an active warzone, perhaps reconsider.
So you’re saying israelis holding a rave next to a concentration camp should have reconsidered their location on Oct7?
It’s funny because you are still allowed to post these shit takes, but if you switched Hamas and Russia you’d be banned from .ml at light speed.
Did you notice the guy above me wishing bad things to happen to civilians or you just wanna keep ignoring that.
“Targeted”. (Likely just an intercepted missile)
They’re on a fucking beach, on illegally occupied land, during an active war. I’m pretty sure they knew the risk.
Play stupid games, grow 🌻
So you’re saying Hamas has the full right to target any israeli because they are illegally occupying Palestinian land and putting the Palestinians in a concentration camp?
Pretty sure the kremlin is a legitimate military target
Wonder if they could make an explosive filled Cessna stealthy enough for that…
They don’t need stealth apparently. They have gotten drones into that airspace.
It’s a joke about a guy landing a Cessna in Red Square.
Fuck russia. Kill the blyats.
“So sad that the Ukrainian government cares so little about it’s people it is giving Russia an excuse to demolish Ukraine.”
- Some Israel Supporter, probably
Striking those Russian oil and gas facilities really seemed like the thing that made actual impact. But that damaged global trade which America wasn’t a fan of.
Sounds like a win/win then.
Ukraine has both tactical and strategic plans for striking Russian oil and gas facilities. Strategically it’s important to hit these facilities as reducing output results in a long term slowdown in Russia’s ability to wage war on its neighbours. Tactically it’s a way of both boosting Ukrainian morale and also (most interestingly) forcing the US to help resupply Ukraine.
By reducing Russian production, Ukraine is pushing up oil and gas prices which affects the World and, more importantly, the US economy. Due to the US election cycle, inflation is a hot button topic in the US ATM and the Biden administration will do just about anything it can to reduce its impact on the upcoming Presidential election.
It’s entirely valid to conclude that the Ukrainian’s can bring pressure on the US to provide military aid by attaching Russian oil and gas assets.
Let me be clear: I’m on the side of the Ukrainians.
I support Ukraine too but throwing Ukrainian soldiers into the meat grinder is a lost cause.
What Russia does care about (and needs to keep their invasion going) is money. Which Russia mostly makes from their oil and gas.
So America not allowing Ukraine to hit Russia where it actually hurts means Putin has no reason to agree to a ceasefire. His money keeps flowing and he can keep his war economy going.
