Also, take note how they actually tell you, clearly and concisely, what has changed. Most ToS are intentionally made difficult to read to, you know, discourage people from reading them.
It made me smile when I saw it this morning.
I was kinda worried when I saw the subject line of the email.
Steam is actually pretty decent, by company standards.
Yeah, but Gabe is down to 25% ownership.
He could be pushed out at anytime. It’s this weird situation where if a serious challenger to Steam really takes off, the 75% may demand Steam gets shittier to make more money.
But Gabe won’t last forever anyways, who knows what will happen without him. Which means people do want some kind of challenger to prevent a monopoly, but that just makes the other scenario more likely
Steam is already a huge outlier
Who owns the other 75% ?
Not sure, apparently the 25% figure is really new, Wikipedia is sourcing something from 2017 that says he has 50+.
This is the most up to date I can find that attributes a source
https://www.guru3d.com/story/microsoft-reportedly-readies-billion-bid-to-acquire-valve-steam/
Insights from Dior, a prominent figure in the Counter-Strike community, reveal that Gabe Newell owns less than 25% of Valve. This suggests that a significant portion of Newell’s wealth is tied to his equity in the company. The decision to sell Valve wouldn’t rest solely with Newell; numerous employees who likely hold stock options could also have a say through a voting process if an offer were made.
So it sounds like a lot was given to employees from the beginning, which track with Gabe.
Then he may have cashed out a couple times, but I doubt that when he could just do the billionaire thing where he borrows against his stock counting on the value increasing enough to pay off the last with a new?
But then again Gabe is different and might not do that out of principle.
It’s not publicly traded, so I guess we don’t really know unless Valve discloses who owns what. Which I just realized is pretty concerning on its own.
AFAIK, most of valve’s stock is held by employees, not private investors. It’s usually a pretty hard sell of “make the company you work at shittier to make more money”, especially since most of the employees probably know gabe personally (valve has less than 400 employees) and likely approve of his leadership.
It’s usually a pretty hard sell of “make the company you work at shittier to make more money”, especially since most of the employees probably know gabe personally (valve has less than 400 employees) and likely approve of his leadership.
And most of the ones with the high percent have been there since the beginning, probably close to Gabe’s age, looking towards retirement. They make good money, but retirement is expensive.
I mean. That link from this year said Microsoft was thinking 16 billion. 1% of that is 160 million.
Or they may die and their kids see dollar signs when a vote comes up
Steam is great now, it’s not debatable. But its naive to expect it indefinitely. 10 years, 20 years from now? It wouldn’t be surprising if Valve was a lot shittier than it is today
It won’t last forever
yeah, its hard to predict what will happen to it, especially after gabe steps down or dies, but depending on how much of the company is broadly owned by employees vs individuals, it can help to shield it from bad decisions. Unfortunately, we don’t know the exact numbers. If gabe + mike own 51+% then it could potentially lead to overriding employee will in a bad decision for money (either through their actions or through inheritance like you say). Or the employees could just collectively make a bad decision too.
Forcing you to shut up or go to court isn’t great either, though.
On the big stuff where they’re liable for a lot of money and you might be able to get a pro bono lawyer, sure.
On the small stuff, though, the prospect of having to pay for a lawyer and likely have your case thrown out by a judge for not being worth the expense and effort of suing a foreign company is probably going to deter a LOT of legitimate claims.
If, for example, I want to return a game in accordance with the rules and they won’t let me, I’m not gonna lawyer up and sue them from the other side of the Atlantic.
I think the US small claims court is meant to handle situations like this (although I know little about it). I wonder if it’s available to litigants from other countries.
I don’t think it is. If it’s anything like the US court systems I know more about (criminal, juvenile, immigration, main civil court), it’s extremely backlogged already.
And that’s even before considering jurisdiction and how much more a lawyer licensed to practice in at least two countries charges.
Even IF you decided to go through with it in spite of everything, you could easily end up spending thousands of dollars fighting an $80 case and STILL be likely to lose.
I have heard that you don’t need a lawyer in small claims court (in the sense that it’s not really expected). Like I said, though, I know little about it. Maybe someone in a position to know will show up in this thread and fill us all in.
You don’t need a lawyer in small claims. Can also go with a paralegal or just represent yourself.
But that’s not why the small claims is backlogged anyway. I have actually no idea why it’s backlogged. I’ve been a defendant in a small claims court case since 2021 and nothing has progressed except for an arbitration hearing in 2022.
Edit: 2020s, not early 2000s. Fuck, it hasn’t been twenty years yet.
Those bastar… Wait what?
It’s cheaper for Valve this way, and it costs you more to do anything legally. Because, you know, you’ll have to pay legal fees out of your own pocket instead of initiating arbitration on Valve’s dime.
Yay, you won!
Because, you know, you’ll have to pay legal fees out of your own pocket instead of initiating arbitration on Valve’s dime.
*in Memerica
It’s still a win thankfully as you say, especially given that for me at least we’d be meeting in a European court.
Though in general I hope I never have to take valve to court, period. Honestly if that happens something REALLY bad must have gone down haha.
Like a steam deck checking its phone while driving and running over my kids or something.
So, remember… they just ‘switched’ from forced arbitration to going into the courts. Yes it is good, but note ‘Good guy Gabe’ didn’t start this way.
Maybe consider ‘why’ he’s making the change? It’s actually because this forces the money question to the one suing them. It costs them less by doing this. Now I think this is actually good, but don’t blindly fawn over the guy for this.
Ars technica provided the two key pieces of context here:
“Zaiger targeted Valve and Steam users for its scheme precisely because the arbitration clause in the SSA [Steam Subscriber Agreement] is ‘favorable’ to Steam users in that Valve agrees to pay the fees and costs associated with arbitration,” Valve said.
Valve said that Zaiger’s “extortive plan” was to “offer a settlement slightly less than the [arbitration] charge—$2,900 per claim or so—attempting to induce a quick resolution.”
I appreciate this. That said, I was playing a game on my Steamdeck last night when this popped up over the game, while the game was running. Subsequently I died in the game. Kinda shit.
Same, during a boss fight in Elden Ring. I died.
You’d have died either way most likely. Git gud.
That is shit, but also just a little funny.
Then again I love Dark Souls so this may just be the ptsd talking.
