• Destide@feddit.uk
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    12 days ago

    Gen-Z you thought we’d forgotten about you, but we managed to sort it out last minute! Enjoy your Middle East Theatre.

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      12 days ago

      But hey, we might get a decent CoD or Battlefield game out of it in a couple of years.

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      11 days ago

      AIPAC IS FRONT LINE AND CENTER. Leaked documents from start of the war show that a literal AIPAC lobbyist and now ambassador to Israel, Lew, kept arguing early in the war that Israel’s subsequent campaign to wipe out Gaza would be “humanitarian.”

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    12 days ago

    I’d support every war if the first wave in was these old Republican fucks. Let Bolton storm the beaches.

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    12 days ago

    And still Trump supporters tell me that Trump is the anti-war candidate and the Democrats always start wars. I guess they will blame the war with Iran on Biden, even though Trump pulled out of the Iran deal, antagonized the Palestinians, and did his best to start a war by assassinating generals. Let’s not forget Bolton’s “I’ll celebrate with you in Tehran” speech.

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      12 days ago

      Not in modern America. Americans, for good reason, have a kneejerk negative reaction to the words “war in the middle east”. A war with Iran before November would seal Harris’s fate.

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        12 days ago

        Not sure why you would think that…

        The Iraq war gave W. a 20 point boost in his approval rating, it lasted for over half a year.

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          But that boost came because people were still feeling the need for revenge for 9/11 three years earlier. Also there was a hell of a lot of fear mongering and out right lies about Iraq that was being reported as facts from all the media at the time. So the American citizens had been primed for war and most wanted it.

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            12 days ago

            Are you paying attention to the media lately? Its filled with outright lies, warmongering, and bloodthirst.

            Just like the lead up to the Iraq war.

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            12 days ago

            There is always a lot of fear mongering and outright lies about everywhere the US doesn’t like. Congress just passed a $1.6 billion of taxpayer money bill to push anti-China propaganda. I bet you didn’t read about that via, your unbiased media

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      12 days ago

      i think it is more likely that the opposite would happen. Anyone with two brain cells understands that there is nothing to gain for the US from it. Maybe for the MIC but certainly not for the average American who will have to deal with high oil prices, recession and possibly his son coming back in a coffin.

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      12 days ago

      If the only tool you have is a hammer…

      It shows what a failed kind of people they are, both intellectually and ethically, if the only language they speak is violence.

      Going into a war with Iran will set the entire region ablaze. The only thing the Iraq war did, was increasing influence for Iran. The only thing the Afghanistan war did, was a 20 year sabbatical for the Taliban.

      The US surely can destroy major Iranian infrastructure like oil production and probably cripple its conventional military capabilities. But then what?

      In the process Iran would destroy the oil production of US allied nations.
      We would see years if not decades of Iraq style insurgencies.
      Tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of people would become refugees, with the pressure on Europe easily having the potential to break the Union and turn the states into full blown fascist hellholes. Russia would use the distraction and the high oil price income to deliver the final blow to Ukraine.
      China could feel emboldened or threatened to push for its military ambitions in the South China sea and Taiwan.
      Justified hatred for the US in all of the Middle East would be ensured for another three generations to come.
      The resulting global economic crisis would plunge large swaths of Americans and Europeans into poverty (and many more people around the world, that the West doesn’t care for unfortunately).

      Meanwhile i don’t see anything positive coming out of it. I don’t see how it would stabilize the region in the long run, help economic development or create conditions under which better diplomatic ties grow.

  • SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    12 days ago

    Remember when people thought Trump was crazy for trying to go to war with Iran? Choosing the lesser evil everytime in “democratic” elections has got us to this.

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      12 days ago

      Which candidate that has a chance of winning the election in November do you think Americans should vote for?

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        Neither. Leave it blank or vote green, even though they definitely won’t win. Giving your vote to the Democrats now, from their perspective, means you’re complacent enough to ignore an entire genocide. Your government is absolutely gonna use weapons and tactics against its populace that Israel has been doing.

        And no, Trump doing more genocide isn’t a valid argument.

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          Why bother voting at all if you’re going to do that? What does it accomplish any more than staying home?

          And no, Trump doing more genocide isn’t a valid argument.

          As the parent of a queer daughter, hard disagree.

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            You make it clear to the democrats you won’t tolerate them adopting right wing policies and genocide.

            Democrats have turned against migrants and queer people too. I’m sorry to say this, but the world is unsafe for queer people everywhere, including me.

            If Trump wins democrats would get off their asses and try to block him. Instead they’re now totally on board with building a functionless border wall, for example. Remember when people called Trump insane for doing that. Now here we are.

            Vote for whoever you like, keep your family safe. Perhaps I’m the exception, but I will never feel safe again, regardless of who wins, and I’m Canadian.

            No one is free until everyone is free.

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              Why would it make it clear to them now when it didn’t make it clear to them any other time Jill Stein ran for president? When she has less support this time than she has previously? That is absolutely illogical.

              Democrats have turned against migrants and queer people too.

              You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. Republicans want to put my daughter in a fucking camp. Democrats do not.

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                10 days ago

                Uhuh. It’s only a matter of time with the democrats. If they’re fine with mass murder of middle easterners, they can easily do the same with white queer people.

                Regardless, I’m not interested in having an argument with some internet rando. I’ll not reply going forward.

                • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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                  Your “internet rando” prediction of “it’s only a matter of time” with Democrats vs. what they Republicans literally say they are going to do.

                  Yeah, think I’ll go with stopping what people actually say they’re going to do to my child rather than endanger her like in your concept. You do what you like to your own children, if you have any.