• GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip
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    • The singularity happening
    • it (the machine consciousness) by some twist of fate being benevolent towards us
    • we, by another twist of fate, are unable or unwilling to destroy it out of ignorance
    • the stars align and we allow it to become involved in governance and administration

    And then it still needs to be able to dismantle capitalism to allocate resources efficiently and where needed and not hoarded to increase the power of a select few.

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    probably some way to extert real power, like if it controlled a vast sum of money

    and it would need to have a bunch of really complex economic models and tons of computing power

    no simple answer to this, I like the question btw

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      A general AI would be very good at playing the stock market.

      But Gemini is not a general AI and it’s dumb as fuck. (As are all LLMs)

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    Honesty, empathy and respect.

    Good luck ever convincing me an LLM has any of those. I’m not even convinced most of humanity does.

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      LLMs have way more empathy and respect than humans do

      Which makes sense, they’re not trained on our actions - they’re trained on our words

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        LLMs have way more empathy and respect than humans do

        LLMs are almost certainly unable to feel either of those emotions. Their responses are definitely more empathetic and respectful than those of your average social media commenter, but that doesn’t imply they have any subjective experience of such emotions.

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      A huge amount of people on social media are conditioned to hate everything AI to the point where even asking a genuine, non-critical question gets you downvoted. A large part of this is people who haven’t really thought deeply about the subject - they’ve just absorbed the popular sentiment from the spaces they hang out in. AI is often seen as a symbol of big, greedy, unethical corporations, so any engagement with it is treated as suspect by default.

      On top of that, there’s also a kind of tribal signaling at play. Being anti-AI has become a way for some to show they’re on the “right side” of issues like workers’ rights, art ownership, or tech overreach. So even curiosity can be read as siding with the enemy.

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      Because it’s one thing to not shame ignorance, and quite another to entertain people who are being deliberately obtuse.

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        It’s certainly reasonable to offer a charitable interpretation of the question, rather than assume mal-intent.

        “What would it take for an AI to be given governance over the world?”

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    Considering we have no consensus on what a suitable human president would be, I’m not sure how we can give parameters for a machine version.

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      I’m not sure that would be very difficult if we tried. The current issue in picking a human global ruler, is that it would require super human traits. By definition no human could satisfy them. But a sufficiently advanced AI might.

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        The current issue in picking a human global ruler, is that it would require super human traits

        I disagree. The current issue is picking mutually exclusive contradictory traits.

        One person will one religious freedom. Another will want a theocracy. Both of those cannot be true at the same time.

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          Conflicting things could be true at the same time in different places. Having one ruler doesn’t require one set of rules. There could be, and would need to be different rules for different communities.

          One person who understands and is willing to accommodate that, is an example of the kind of super human trait I was referring to. An AI might be willing to do that, and slowly nudge over generations, differing communities toward a more globally compatible culture.

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            Conflicting things could be true at the same time in different places. Having one ruler doesn’t require one set of rules. There could be, and would need to be different rules for different communities.

            So its like what we already have today then, yes? What would prevent those different places from going to war with each other over their differences?

            An AI might be willing to do that, and slowly nudge over generations, differing communities toward a more globally compatible culture.

            You’re providing another great example except I don’t think you intend to. Your hypothetical example for the perfect ruler is one that works to unify the world into a single culture. Thats one definition of genocide. I don’t actually think you mean for that, but your definition can certainly match the word.

            Already you and I don’t agree on that path, because the ideas we have are mutually exclusive. We can’t have one part of the world that is working toward a single unifying culture while the other have embraces and celebrates the diversity of our many cultures. If one vision of the world is going to exist, one of those groups has to bend to the will of the other.

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              My statement you quoted says nothing remotely like “unify the world into a single culture.” Read it again. “a more globally compatible culture.”

              There are many different yet compatible cultures, that are able to exist together in the world. It’s really only certain aspects of a few cultures which drive them to be intolerant of other cultures, that would need to be changed.

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                “a more globally compatible culture.”

                My apologies. You used a singular there in your language. I took that to mean one.

                There are many different yet compatible cultures, that are able to exist together in the world. It’s really only certain aspects of a few cultures which drive them to be intolerant of other cultures, that would need to be changed.

                So a set of compatible cultures then. What about the ones that aren’t compatible? What happens with those?

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                  It’s really only certain aspects of a few cultures which drive them to be intolerant of other cultures, that would need to be changed.

                  Those certain aspects which cause intolerance, would need to be changed. Nothing more.