A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

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      Considering they’re the only ones offering to lay down arms, I’d say they’re more likely to be peaceful than the IDF and Netanyahu, who are not making such an offer.

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        They also justified the terrorist attack on the 7th of october, welcomed the large attack on Israel, are not “ashamed to say that Israel has no place in their land and has to be removed” and “will do it again and again”.

        So yeah they may lay their weapons down, but they never remain peaceful.

        Source: https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-member-says-repeat-attacks-065643206.html?guccounter=1

        https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/02/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news#hamas-official-promises-more-attacks-against-israel-similar-to-those-of-oct-7

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          Okay? I still only see one side saying they’re willing to lay down arms. “This will end when we get an independent state” vs. “this will end when you’re all dead?” The former seems more reasonable to me. Your mileage may vary.

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            Your mileage may vary.

            It does. I agree that Netanyahu has to go and Palestine should have the chance to be independend, but the Hamas has also to be put down for good. With those terrorist fucks and their degenerated supporters, there will be no peace in the middle east.

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                How did ‘Al Qaeda has to be put down for good’ work out for the U.S.?

                Not that bad since Osama and Zawahiri are dead. Their last big terrorist attack against America was when, 2010? Against the west in general, in France 2015? Since then they pretty much done or in a clash with the Taliban. If we can do the same with the Hamas, I would call it a win.

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                  I see, so by ‘put down for good,’ you meant ‘still exists, just not doing anything dangerous to Israel at this moment.’

                  Also, you know it took decades of war for Al Qaeda to get to that point, right?

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                    I see, so by ‘put down for good,’ you meant ‘still exists, just not doing anything dangerous to Israel at this moment.’

                    Which is pretty desireable based on the current situation, right? Get rid of their leadership and cripple them.

                    Also, you know it took decades of war for Al Qaeda to get to that point, right?

                    No shit sherlock, but it’s also not like the conflict in the middle east just started in October…we are already a few years into it and it looks like a good point to get rid of their leadership for good now. That and a independend Palestine could make terrorists like them useless and maybe, just maybe could bring peace to the region. But with them still intact, I so ne future in this…

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              You can’t shoot an idea. The only way to kill Hamas for good would be genocide. Or actually solving the underlying problem with Palestine, and so starving them of redicalised recruits.

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          If Palestine wasn’t oppressed, no one would be joining Hamas and they would have no power. This is a problem Isreal created for themselves.

          I recommend this video, it really shows how what Isreal calls peace is still so oppressive.

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          They shouldn’t be ashamed to say it. Israel has no place on their land and should be removed. We aren’t talking about mom and pop tourists but militants that are forcing people out of their homes and killing their children.

          What the fuck are you smoking?

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          They also justified the terrorist attack on the 7th of october, welcomed the large attack on Israel, are not “ashamed to say that Israel has no place in their land and has to be removed” and “will do it again and again”.

          Now do Israel with the same energy.

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          It’s pointless arguing this on Lemmy. Everyone here is convinced that the Islamic jihadists are oppressed and just want peace despite what they actually say and do.

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        What is it with your constant attempts at whitewashing Hamas? There were four alerts in Israel due to rockets launched from Gaza on that same day.

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          He needs it as background for his “Voting for Biden is voting for genocide”-LARPing. In my opinion he’s a rightwinger trying to muddy the waters (as if Trump would do fuck all about Gaza)

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          That day was at the start of the ceasefire.

          The Hamas rockets were after the ceasefire.

          Notice the week in between?

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        There was an effective ceasefire before 7th October (apart from the random rockets fired Israel’s way) that was broken pretty badly. Making a ceasefire deal with terrorists that attacked you and took hostages and will never stop attacking you makes no sense.

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            Nobody fights back? You’re having a laugh. They attack Israel constantly. That’s their faith and their purpose to get to paradise. Stop ignoring what they actually say

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              Israel just “defended themselves” onto Palestinian land and those Untermensch in their concentration camp should shut up and do nothing back for the rest of their lives! How dare Palestinians resist against their brutal oppressors! They should roll over and die in without fighting back like PA does in the West Bank!

              But anyways, what was that about a ‘ceasefire’ before oct7?

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                You’re a terrorist sympathiser. They are not fighting in resistance because they’re oppressed. They’re trying to wipe out Israel because their holy book tells them to.

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                  Oh look your entire argument got destroyed now it’s over to ad-hominems and verbatim Hasbara.

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            Effective ceasefire = israel commits Genocide and nobody fights back?

            Keep moving those goalposts.

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              Did you read the date before jumping in to defend israel? Not a single goalpost has been moved here.

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                From “Holsum Hamas would never break ceasefires!” to “Well the so-called ‘ceasefires’ are just cover for Israeli genocide anyway”

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                  Except Hamas did not break the ceasefire only israel did.

                  There was no ceasefire extension because israel didn’t want to.