Calls grow in Germany to ban far-right AfD – DW – 10/01/2024
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The Alternative for Germany (AfD) has gained ground in three recent state elections, caused an uproar in the Thuringian parliament and triggering another debate on whether to ban the party outright.

The Alternative for Germany (AfD) has gained ground in three recent state elections, caused an uproar in the Thuringian parliament and triggering another debate on whether to ban the party outright.

  • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1134·
    14 days ago

    FINALLY. And to everyone who is like “tHiS wiLl MaKe ThInGs WorSe!!11” or “bAnNiNg ThE pArTy WoN’t hElP”. SHUT THE FUCK UP.

    These are LITERALLY Nazis. Even more than the US Trump-Rep’s.

    And since Russia is not willing to throw 25 Million People on them again and is much more keen to join them, since they are heavily involved with the AFD:

    -https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/putin-afd-zusammenarbeit-100.html

    -https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/petr-bystron-afd-russland-100.html

    -https://www.bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2024/kw15-de-aktuelle-stunde-russland-afd-997398

    -https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2024-04/afd-russische-regierung-strategiepapier

    I’m not willing to take any chance on that. We have Laws for EXACTLY this scenario, time for our government to grow a spine and starts protecting democracy!

    We did it once, we can do it again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Reich_Party

    • lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      1·
      13 days ago

      If discourse and argument fail to quell the intolerant, a tolerant society must be willing to use censorship and even violence to defend itself. If we let them trample all over our values, tolerating them for the sake of being the “better person”, we’ll be the better corpse sooner rather than later and history will remember us “Look how nobly they did nothing!”

      If our history is ever written, that is.

    • JigglySackles@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      13 days ago

      I think their party should be banned and all funds currently donated and accounts related should be redirected to counter facism efforts and education.

    • where_am_i@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      440·
      14 days ago

      They banned NPD and AFD happened.

      All you’ll get is a new party filling up the political vacuum and their audience being even more die-hard radicals.

      In a democracy where some 30% vote nazi, banning them won’t solve anything. Anything.

      No, I won’t shut up, because you and people like you are part of the problem. If you think the solution is to jail and ban your political opponents, I got bad news for you.

      • narp@feddit.orgEnglish
        42·
        14 days ago

        Nearly everything you said is just plain wrong:

        • The NPD never got banned (supposedly because the party was “insignificant”).
        • They renamed themselves “Die Heimat”.
        • If banned, a follow up party from the AfD would be automatically banned too.
        • You make it sound like 30% of Germans vote AfD, while they get that many votes mainly in the eastern states.
        • You talk about democracy and call Nazis “political opponents”. I got news for you: Those fascist scums’ only goal is to get rid of democracy, sell Europe to Russia and maybe start a third world war.

        So keep on talking as much as you like, everyone with half a brain can see right through you.

        • where_am_i@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          01·
          13 days ago

          ah, ok, tell me please, what exactly do you see right through? I wanna know. For research purposes. (And to report it to the headquarters, so we could improve our sabotage operation).

            • where_am_i@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              01·
              13 days ago

              Oh yeah, that last implication certainly is full of polite implying. I’m honored.

              You know what I see? Someone who’s afraid that their world order will change. And their solution is “lock them up while we’re in the majority”.

              You know what I also see? A failed German re-unification, extreme arrogance of the west Germans towards east Germans, a bouquet of additional socio-economical problems that have been ignored for decades. And a consequent voters’ revolt.

              And their solution? Tell all those angry people that they’re nazi and their problems will continue being ignored. I’m sure that will solve it.

              The party in question, AfD, is fuckin scary. They, in fact, are openly nazi. And, yet, I promise you, banning them and continuing to ignore the underlying issues will only make things worse.

              – Your Polite But Malicious Kremlin Bot

      • somenonewho@feddit.orgEnglish
        18·
        14 days ago

        Most of your points were already correctly dismantled. But I’d just like to ad to

        In a democracy where some 30% vote nazi, banning them won’t solve anything. Anything.

        Is a sentiment I often feel too. I believe that we have to do so much more to fight against Fascists than just Vote and “use the democratic system correctly”. (I.e. fight fascism in the streets, offer actual political solutions to peoples problems…). But to say this won’t do anything is a huge understatement.

        Banning the AfD will:

        1. Disband the party leaving them in shambles to reorganize
        2. Stop the money flow which is going to the AfD (and in turn to other right wing groups
        3. Finally delegitimize the AfD and their main actors in a Democratic setting

        A ban would be an amazing feat but it would just be a little breather in the fight against fascism.