i can’t stand megathreads – no one reads these! no one wants their posts banished there!
When people turn a popular post into an Oscars Acceptance Speech
ETA: wow thanks for the upvotes!
ETA2: omg my first gold award?? I couldn’t have made it without my mom and Jesus through whom all things are possible
This may be an unpopular option since I’ve already seen it across lemmy, but the ____porn communities. I’d like to browse pictures of nice landscapes or exotic cars without worry about someone around me noticing “PORN” on my screen.
At this point it seems very old internet, something that made sense when those communities were established, but now is unnecessary gratuitous and not socially acceptable.
Moderators who coddle bigots.
Bigots.
This is my #1 also. So many people “just asking questions”
I also hate the circlejerk of people going “I cannot possibly comprehend being gay/trans/disabled/whatever but I let them do what they want!” They’re not aliens, you can listen to them explain what they are going through and have empathy. It’s not very complicated.
I think it’s a good attitude to serve as a stepping stone away from bigotry, it appeals to the bigots by offering some common ground while giving them a path to becoming less outwardly bigoted. Social progress takes time, especially with attitudes engrained as much as homophobia used to be.
Agreed, I grew up in a very conservative area and was pretty homophobic when I started college.
“They can do whatever they want, just don’t ask me to like it” was an important stepping stone towards “oh shit, love is love” and finally actually listening to the experience of gay people.
Ultimately “live and let live” is all we can ask of anyone. If that is their attitude then they aren’t a bigot. People are expecting too much of other people now - not embracing someone does not make someone a bigot.
Your starting position to me is honestly enough but unfortunately many people are way away from that. As a gay guy, I’d be happy with people just saying “do whatever you want want, just don’t ask me to like it”. The problem is too many people claim that with words but then actually act differently.
I don’t want to see your junk and I don’t care who you’re sleeping with. I don’t understand why that’s a hard position for people to take.
Don’t understand why you stereotyped people and basically insulted them and then wondered why people are offended? Yea? No one wants to see your fucking junk either. No, just because you’re not gay doesn’t make you any more or less likely to do what you are accusing them of.
What?
Oh don’t get me started on the sealioning from the bigots! “But we need to have more Valuable Discussion™ about my horseshit that’s been debunked a million times already!”
r/moderatepolitics was the worst for that.
Their moderation policy basically allowed any abhorrent view as long as it was expressed in a “civil” manner.
Trolls and racists could say things like “well, in my humble opinion, black people are just inherently violent and unintelligent” and anyone who got irate and called them out would get a warning and/or banned.
Unsurprisingly, that’s a fast track to becoming a racist sub. See also the Nazi bar parable.
In my experience, the more obsessed a sub’s mods were about civil language, the more “be civil” meant “don’t sass the nazis.”
Won’t anyone think of the nazis?!
People who wear mustaches
Beets
Bears
Battlestar Galactica
There is a decent argument historically that communism and other left movements are extremist, racist, and anti-lgbtq. When you start banning concepts, you open your communities up to several things.
- Group think
- Banning of other radical ideologies that you may agree with
- You alienate those people from exposure to better concepts
- You jump start compaction cycles for large scale propaganda organizations that could lead to actual violence
I said “bigots” and you immediately jumped to “whatabout communists?!”
I provided four reasons why this was relevant and you jumped from communism to whataboutism? Talk about being intellectually lazy (Or a state-sponsored account)
I provided four reasons why this was relevant
After starting right out the gate with:
There is a decent argument historically that communism and other left movements are extremist, racist, and anti-lgbtq.
We’re talking about today. On a relatively new community. Frankly, I see no reason to tolerate the bigots you’re so keen on coddling until they take over and make this another version of reddit’s the_donald, complete with organizing nazi rallies. Particularly not with the vague and spurious “there is a decent argument” hand wavy FUD that you didn’t explain as a justification. Are a lot of people saying it?
Moving onto your 4 points, let’s look at how they worked so well over at reddit, with all the virtuous acceptance of intolerance and nazi-coddling they’ve done, shall we?
Group think
No, reddit has never had groupthink. Not for an instant. Thank god they let the bigots in otherwise they’d have groupthink!
Banning of other radical ideologies that you may agree with
Post anything on conservative even slightly counter to their bigoted orthodoxy and see how that goes. Hell, suggest that fascism is not amenable to reason and must be opposed with force anywhere on reddit and see how that goes.
You alienate those people from exposure to better concepts
They had abundant exposure to better concepts on reddit. Look how well that’s worked so far. Clearly the answer is to let them spread their shit all over lemmy.
You jump start compaction cycles for large scale propaganda organizations that could lead to actual violence
the_donald literally promoted and helped organize a nazi rally where Heather Heyer was run over and killed by a nazi’s car. On lovely ol’ bigot-coddling reddit. The sub was not banned for years afterwards. I do not want that for lemmy. I left reddit the instant an alternative that didn’t welcome bigotry got enough users.
Not everywhere has to entertain bigots. There’s already too many places that do. A community that welcomes bigots is unwelcoming to everyone but bigots. But holy shit, does it ever drive engagement.
Or a state-sponsored account
Oh, we’re throwing around wild accusations now?
Yes, I started with the reasons why left-leaning movements have been restricted historically right out of the gate. It is not coddling bigots. It is providing context on why any form of radical idea is restricted, including ideas that we tend to celebrate in these communities. Communist propaganda has historically put fourth that anything that is not communist is inherently fascist. Is that your definition of fascism? Are folks allowed to talk about the French protests? To many they are based in fascism.
In my opinion, you are literally promoting groupthink and closing yourself off to ideas by attempting to ban content that you disagree with based on your own definitions. Life is a little more nuanced when you are not talking about specific issues by which you know the full context.
Also, is it a relatively new community or is it an established one that you want to preserve the culture of? I am getting very mixed messages from you.
Yes, I started with the reasons why left-leaning movements have been restricted historically right out of the gate.
No, you started with an unsupported allegation about all left-leaning movements:
There is a decent argument historically that communism and other left movements are extremist, racist, and anti-lgbtq.
Support it or don’t accuse me of being intellectually lazy.
Communist propaganda has historically put fourth that anything that is not communist is inherently fascist.
Why am I getting “Anyone who disagrees with you is a fascist! Everyone’s a fascist to you leftists!” vibes from this?
Also, is it a relatively new community
In the context of broader world history, which is what you were talking about when you were baselessly calling anyone on the left anti-lgbtq.
or is it an established one that you want to preserve the culture of?
It’s a new community that I don’t want overrun with nazis like you’d prefer.
Asking for proof of this is like asking for proof that the Constitution exists. It’s a very common thing I referenced. Western anarchism has a more positive history but largely linked to furtherment of the cause over actual progression of liberties.
Cuba: https://www.thedailybeast.com/fidel-castros-horrific-record-on-gay-rights
USSR: https://www.thecollector.com/harry-whyte-gay-communist-writes-to-stalin-soviet-union/
CCP: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0268580918812265
My point in bringing it up is that it’s extremely easy to craft a narrative that starts including relatively positive forms of speech in with the banning. That includes these little forums and your approach is exactly what happened on Reddit eventually leading to the current influx of members here now. The second you start restricting speech is when the forum starts consolidating power.
Donald Trump was elected president primarily because he could control his messaging and direct different narratives to different demographics. He was unable to do that as president so he lost the next election. By encouraging the siloing of information sources, you enable that behavior.
I don’t want Nazis but the best way to turn them is not by sending them into a forum where they are left unchecked.
You linked “communism” and “left movements” to “banning concepts” as if they go hand in hand.
You’re question begging hard, and all of your “reasons” are built on top of propaganda and logical fallacies.
Left-leaning radical ideologies are banned all the time and usually use the same laws set up to ban far-right movements. I am not begging the question but feel free to continue spouting off the names of logical fallacies. I almost have a bingo.
I deal with propaganda and strategic messaging professionally, so by all means attempt to lecture.
And you got downvoted for that truthful reality.
Can we stop talking about Reddit? Let it go.
This
(I’m so sorry. I couldn’t resist)
You maybe should have tried harder to resist.
Hey people grieve at different speeds. Some people got to acceptance on the same day, others are still in denial.
This! We all mourn at our own pace. Some people may still be at the anger stage.
…there is nothing to grieve…it is a website…
I was a daily reddit user since 2008. I don’t know anything else. The withdrawal symptoms were absolutely brutal until I figured out how Lemmy works.
Leaving reddit was harder than quitting nicotine. Let me grieve.
You are allowed to grieve whatever you feel you lost, even a website.
Yes, Lettit!
“Thanks for the gold kind stranger”
You forgot to add the "Edit: " part because they always have to come back and edit every 2 minutes.
Edit: “Whoa my first gold! Thanks!”
Edit2: “Wow this is silly, thanks everyone!”
Edit3: “While you’re here, let me tell you my life story.”
EditAdNauseum: High pitched ear ringing
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Uhhhg. Reddit award acceptance speeches like anyone cares.
“Oh wow thank you for giving a giant corporation your money because of something I said!”
Creative writing presented as truth
Please don’t let /c/asklemmy become like /r/askreddit, which had half of the front-page posts being the same sex related questions every month.
“Women of reddit, what non sexual thing that guys so makes you horny?”
“What is the sexiest thing you regret doing?”
“How many cocks have you sucked while your cat judges you while waiting for you to feed it?”
It was bullshit.
Remember this classic:
Ladies of Reddit - what is the most sexiest thing an overweight gamer has done that made you immediately want to have sex with him/be his girlfriend?
i think it’s the wrong direction to try to police questions but instead empower users with the ability to filter by text or flairs
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I don’t know why the mods of r/AskReddit still accepts these kind of posts when it would be more appropriate to do an NSFW r/AskReddit (if it doesn’t already exist).
r/the_donald or anything like it. Kindly fuck off with all of that shit.
too late.
At least they’re hidden on their own instances
And may they stay that way.
Good fuckin’ riddance.
I absolutely hate the love for revenge violence. Stuff like celebration people running over protestors in their cars because they were forced to stop on the road. Or bleeding out after someone got shot when they robbed a store.
This includes that fact that you can basically guarantee every thread contains at least one comment claiming “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”
Comments like:
„This!“
Use the upvote button and shut up.
Karma-whoring. It’s already started with the stupid “upote my can of beans” posts… Dude nobody cares about your internet points, either activity participate or fuck off to Instagram.
The “hivemind” ignoring the correct information or even worse, encouraging the wrong information.
Does anyone else remember the whole Boston Bomber fiasco (i.e. We did it, Reddit)?
A lot of people would just upvote the first bozo to reply with a confident answer and never bother to check for the full story. Scrolling 3 comments down you’d find someone who actually knows their stuff. I learned to at least read most of the comments before committing any Reddit info to memory as fact.
It’s most noticeable when the topic being discussed is your area of expertise. Then you clearly see what kind of grossly oversimplified or even blatantly false comments get made with so much confidence and upvoted.
I tried to keep this in mind while reading stuff that I’m not an expert in, but that’s hard.
Then you come out facts swinging, and despite possessing vastly more knowledge on the subject and presenting factual/cited corrections to their claims, you are the one downvoted because the userbase has already decided the false claim is more fun to believe.
Let them continue to devolve in their cesspool. They can have it… They deserve it…
Similarly asking for proof getting downvoted to hell. Asking for proof is so important online and pretty much every statement should be able to provide proof
People who don’t know/acknowledge the difference between “free speech” and “hate speech”
unfortunately lemmy already has those people, but luckily enough they seem to organize in tidy communities that are easy to defederate
/u/spez
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