I wish they release a tool for their system to work properly. Like connecting to Bluetooth headphones or no full cpu load out of nowhere.
Those are premium windows 14 features.
Imagine they skip 12 and call it 13 like they did with W10
Microsoft always has such a weird relationship with naming conventions… just look at Xbox and all of its descendants.
Can’t wait for Windows 720 X Series XS.
You forgot “One”.
One can’t wait for Windows 720 X Series XS.
Indeed.
You. I like you.
pwilrgc_Win* wPtr = CONSTANT_MACRO_MAP.GetHandle();
Imagine they skip 12 and call it 13 like they did with W10
With as little sense as Microsoft makes most of the time, that decision actually does make sense. A lot of programs and scripts were lazy about checking the Windows version and just checked for the presence of a ‘9’ in the version string to determine if they were running on Windows 95/98.
A bunch of shit would have broken if they had released Windows 10 as Windows 9, which is what it should have been semantically.
Never knew that, and it makes total sense.
That’s not how it works. It started as a joke, until someone took it at face value and started spreading it as a fact. Like the flat earth
A Microsoft dev literally gave that as the reason, my man.
Can I ask you for a source then? If it’s true I’ll re-evaluate my life choices
Dude deleted his account, but the original comment is here.
Flat earth did not start as a joke. It was a serious take that was mocked.
They are more likely to skip Windows 13 due to “triskaidekaphobia” (fear of the number 13) though, like they did with internal versions for Office:
- Office 2003 (11.0)
- Office 2007 (12.0)
- Office 2010 (14.0)
- Office 2013 (15.0)
But I imagine it will be something more stupid like Windows L or Windows One.
The next version will clearly be Windows 11 Series W.
For some reason Windows L sounds like the worst possible name for a Windows version.
Hey that’s why I wrote 14. Because I think they will
Windows 9 was a real thing.
Instructions unclear, advertisements added to start menu 
That “system interrupts” is extremely important.
Time to collect and send that snap shot to mircoshit so daddy satya nadella can inspect, you know for the children.
I think either I’m having a stroke or you’re having a stroke, because I don’t understand what’s written here.
Whole thing has to get thrown out and rebuilt, its an ancient bloated mess underneath, but they waited too long and now the entire world relies on it.
Am I crazy or are they just reskinning old windows? Go deep enough and old windows things pop up in a disjarring manner.
That’s by design. One of windows core features is it’s backwards compatibility.
I’m not talking that old programs can be run. I’m talking if you dig into the settings deep enough, a Windows 2000 looking screen will pop up out of nowhere.
It’s the same thing. Stuff relies on it. And some stuff is just there from laziness. The only Windows being reskinned is 10. That’s what 11 is underneath.
It’s probably because of compatibility. Who knows, maybe that’s the loadbareing UI. It all falls apart if they change it.
I mean control panel still is usable on windows 11. Control Panel has been there since 1985. The UI control panel uses now hasn’t really been changed since Windows 95. There are plenty of other screens like that too, like the hardware properties menus and stuff.
It blows my mind that system file checker isn’t just a scheduled task that works during idle time. Same with DISM.
You can easily schedule it yourself but I wouldn’t. I have used sfc /scannow about 10 times. It did fix an issue once - a VM repeatedly locking up doing Windows updates.
Yeah even as a technician that’s one I run on the off chance that it actually does something.
Which, sometimes it does, just often enough that I wouldn’t call it useless.
You don’t need to check fs with NTFS.
My Bluetooth headphones work just fine. Except every time the connect the automatically set the volume to 100%.
I wish they would make their configuration better. At this point even MacOS easier in that regard. And that is saying something. I constantly find myself googling how to open the old configuration pages because it’s either impossible to find where some of the configuration options went or they don’t exist on the new UIs in the first place. It’s a real down grade. They are trying to go the MacOS route but stopped half way through. Windows 11 feels like a real downgrade compared to Windows 10.
They’ve been trying to kill Control Panel since 2012 bahahahaha
no full cpu load out of nowhere.
Ah sudden background updates, how I hate them.
The bug bash quests can be found in the Windows Feedback Hub, and partaking in the bug bash often concludes with a badge in the Feedback Hub that acknowledges your participation.
Imagine doing free QA for a multibillion dollar corporation. I hate Microsoft so much.
No one is forcing you. Actually, you need to jump through many hoops to get into the program. And Microsoft tends to pay nice rewards to people who find critical issues.
So a bug bounty that pays significantly less
Cant put a price on a badge though!
I think that might be the problem
If I get that badge, can I hide it? (On 𝕏 I can)
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Can’t blame them if people after willing to do it
Watch me. Exploiting people is wrong, even if they’re idiots.
Calm down, no one’s getting exploited. Many people like trying out new features that aren’t available yet for stable releases.
Nobody’s being forced into it, you can just decide not to do it. There’s no risk or reward for doing so other than because you want to. There’s no power imbalance. It’s just users deciding they want to do it. It’s not exploitation, haha
At best, these people are scabs taking away QA jobs by working for free. If we were talking about a community-driven Free Software project it’d be different, but doing that kind of unpaid labor for a for-profit corporation is toxic and harmful in a systemic way that goes beyond personal choice.
Be me. Like a thing. Find issues with thing. Share those issues with the devs. Dopamine. Find better avenue for sharing issues. Do issue finding in my spare time with my own free will. Get shamed on internet for doing my own thing.
Yeah ok.
“Exploiting” lol
It’s not exploitation if people want to do it
We getting to the point where some Linux distros are objectively better systems… all around. Having way less issues with PopOS than I did with Win11
True, I’ve been using NobaraOS and have no problems at all, I moved my mom from windows to ZorinOS and she only noticed because her laptop no longer “freezes up” randomly, and I’m talking about a surface book that runs better on Linux than on Windows. Gotta love the irony
Hah, same here. Nobara for me and Zorin for mum, works like a charm. If only mainstream OEMs pre-installed Linux and promoted it more… But I guess this is fine too. One day, when I have enough capital, I’ll launch my own Linux Desktop company and be the change I want to see.
Yep! Co-worker had 2 old laptops, threw a SSD into one of them and put Zorin OS on it for his daughter to do schoolwork on. Not one complaint or question about how to do anything, and it’s been a year. The other one was very very underpowered so I threw CasaOS onto it and got him setup with Home Assistant and Adguardhome.
The other one was very very underpowered so I threw CasaOS onto it
How did you get past the website? It’s bloody awful :o
Joking aside though, I hadn’t heard of CasaOS, so I just did a quick search. That website is awful on mobile. I swiped up, assuming that there was more than just the live demo link, but nothing happened for a while. Then, loads of content popped up at once and scrolled past >.<
I’ve sent it to myself to check out on the computer. Hopefully, if it does what it claims, it could resurrect an old laptop :)
I once installed Zorin for my gf’s ancient laptop, it was so much faster and she loved the color schemes for xfce
Yup, just moved to Mint on my laptop since I’ve been getting some issues with Windows draining the battery quick despite it being in “good health” according to Dell, and just general performance hiccups across Windows.
Super low CPU and RAM usage, snappier performance for word processing and surfing, and a longer battery life? With no tracking features to boot? All for free? Hell yeah I’ll move over to Linux lol.
Yeah, I switched my gaming PC over to popOS and noticed no major issues - steam and heroic just worked as I expected.
Does this mean the games that worked on steam for windows will also work on steam for popOS?
Usually. Proton by Steam (versions of wine tuned specifically for games) makes just about anything run flawlessly with one click to turn it on in the settings and occasionally some fine tuning for particular games like setting it to run a particular version of proton. This works on any Linux distro.
Outside of Steam, and when trying to mod Steam games, it’s a lot more hit or miss.
You can run non-steam games through steam to use Proton.
Damn, I didn’t know we’d come this far to adopting Linux on gaming machines. Makes me hopeful for the future.
I’ve had good success using heroic for epic and gog games, but lutris gave me some trouble
You can check if your Steam games work on Linux in general here: https://www.protondb.com/. PopOS is a noob friendly distribution well adapted for gamers and artists.
The other thing worth noting is that just because a linux distro is noob friendly, it doesn’t mean advanced users should feel the need to use more complicated distros. Quite the opposite in a lot of cases - I’ve used Linux for work over ~10 years (first tried it in 2007) and yet find myself back on Ubuntu for my laptop. PopOS for my desktop because of nvidia convenience (+ less issues than most other distros).
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We’ve been past that point for awhile.
Arch Linux has been an objectively better system for years.
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If I didn’t use my pc primarily as a gaming pc I would absolutely be running Linux. Hopefully one day we can get there with compatability and performance.
I use mine for gaming and shit posting… only anti cheat triple AAA does not work like new BF and CoD, everything else runs great or fine.
Let’s all thank the steam deck. Now Linux is bigger in gaming than mac
Valve doing lords work but let’s NOT bootlick too hard they are just defending turf and we happen to benefit
I mean I’m going to date myself but the game I play the most on my steam deck is dungeon keeper 2 from GOG and it works fine
The bad news, for me at least, is yes I can get most games to run fine. Skyrim, cyberpunk, Sims 4 etc. The issue is modding. Sims 4 is excluded from this as you littlery just drop .package files in the mod folder and just works. But games like cyberpunk and Skyrim…you often need external tools/injectors/animation riggers etc for a lot of the 'good stuff’s. And getting those tools to work properly can be a nightmare.
Why do those tools work differently on Linux if the games are fine? At most a script extender would need is a Microsoft Dell and don’t those come with wine or whatever?
Honestly asking. I use Windows. But if games work I’ll switch.
Generally you use some kind of tool to manage/update the mods and set them to load in the right order. While those tools may also work under Linux with Proton/Wine/etc, each app you launch typically has its own isolated folders. So in order to get it to work, you’d need to change where that mod manager app uses to use the folders that Proton/etc configured for the actual game like Skyrim. That’s compared to just installing the mod configurator/launcher app and having it start Skyrim for you on Windows.
The fact that there’s a 60 page guide on how to do it tells you it’s not as easy as on Windows: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/91500?tab=description
Aaand I’ll be using Windows for awhile I guess.
Kudos for the author putting that together.I think the best you can do is still dual boot Linux and Windows, not ideal but at least you’re avoiding most of these issues.
They can use any number of extra libraries and such. Idk I’m not a programmer. But I’ve certainly tried. Though tbh it’s been. A while. Sadly I dual boot just for the games that I mod that require a bunch of external tools to mod. I don’t have the time anymore to try and force em. A me problem yes.
I don’t remember it being much of a nightmare for Skyrim, but then again some mods were indeed broken. Pretty normal tho :/
There are definitely “quirks”, even with a lot of the gold/platinum rated games on protondb. E.g. Titanfall 2, horrible crackling audio issues at times, even though it runs great otherwise. Firewatch, random choppy slowdowns, but rare. BattleBit, sometimes (not too often) 20 seconds of 20fps, then back to normal.
Check if your games run on Linux here, you may be surprised: https://protondb.com
What games are you playing?
I’m tempted to try vfio but for now I just dual boot -_-
Currently demo-ing Mint, and might actually switch.
Mostly because almost every non-UWP app works fine and good alternatives exist for things that don’t, and partially because the PC doesn’t sound like it’s taking off when it starts up.
Same, switched to an easy Mint install and immediately felt more in control of my computer again. Some professional software does still cause problems though so a 100% switch sadly isn’t possible… yet.
Amen, pop here too
My keyboard and trackpad often don’t work on resume in PopOS but otherwise I really like it.
only windows users are surprised of this.
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How do you know someone uses Linux?
They’ll tell you.
I use arch btw.
Peasant. I use slackware.
Or will, when I figure out this compiler error.
I built my own distro by typing in the machine code in hex from a magazine.
Something about manually guiding cosmic radiation onto your computer to flip individual bits…
I use Debian BTW
Nixos…from arch.
Another Debian (except work laptop where it is windows)
I use endeavorOS btw (arch fork)
I use Ubuntu, I guess.
I use Garuda, FYI
Nobody asked btw
i asked
Perfection.
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I’m a windows windows user and windows is so fucking broken sometimes. Thinking about switching. Package managers are trash, os is buggy, explorer is buggy, search is buggy. Only thing thats keeping me on windows is gamepass
I strongly prefer to just turn my computer on, play games or work and not deal with hardware and software compatibility issues and learn a new OS
LOL, that’s why I use Linux.
I strongly prefer to just turn my computer on, play games or work
Yeah, same.
Thats why I use linux.
- just turn the computer on and wait for the updates to finish
I use windows btw
…and just turn the computer off and wait for the updates to finish.
No need to wait either way under linux.
- just turn the computer on and wait for the updates to finish
Like 90% of the internet is running on Linux. If being anywhere in the tech world is something you’re interested in then it would behoove you to learn it. But if all you’re interested in is the gaming then by all means rub the Cheeto dust on your shirt and yell for your mom upstairs to get you another bag.
Fun fact: I’ve been using Mint on my home computer for over a decade. I’ve distro hopped a little bit but Mint is just rock solid reliable. It’s almost perfect.
scoffs in debian jk, having options is always a good thing
Would it be better if I said that I’m currently running LMDE? :)
Now we’re talking
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is not a comment that contributes to the discussion at hand in any way.
I really don’t want to feel like I’m back on Reddit.
I thought Reddit hated emojis anyway.
If anything, a bunch of laughing face emojis makes me feel like I’m on an old school forum, or a newer one on a topic that skews graybeard, like woodworking or working on old Chevys.
Well, we wouldn’t want to upset grumpy old drphungky while they use the interwebs
Back in my day, we had to look up how to forum post in a bootleg factory service manual!
If anything, emoticons give me the taste of old-school forums. Emojii didn’t exist Becky hen. ;c
yes Becky is such a hen
Autocorrect didn’t exist Becky hen, either! We just had teh classic typos we don’t see anymore!!!1
Damn, that’s the good shit.
honestly the joke he’s replying to didn’t either
What ? I am laughing at the sarcasm. Its epic. Not sure why i am being down voted.
That’s not really an “I shouldn’t need to have done a slash S” thing. It’s just a bunch of emoji.
It’s just a bunch of emoji
Then why are you so triggered by them?
Are those “hidden features” just more ads?
Could also be tracking and monitoring, I think those counts as Microsoft features.
CIA Target Mode as well probably.
Actually it uncovers the fact that space cadet pinball was actually a covert mind control and indoctrination tool developed by the NSA.
Well then we’re all screwed because who didn’t play the shit out of that?
Noone I’d trust.
Actually it uncovers the fact that space cadet pinball was actually a covert mind control and indoctrination tool developed by the NSA.
I KNEW IT
That would explain some shit ngl
So what are the hidden features? The article doesn’t say and I scrolled through all the comments and nothing popped out at me other than a bunch of comments of people bashing windows and sucking their own dicks over Linux?
sucking their own dicks over Linux
This one trick explains why people who use Linux love it so much!
It’s the main reason I use it… I thought that was the point :)
Is there a hidden tool for that?
Only sudo and you’re good to
gosuckIt’s called
fsck. It does both at the same time.You rang? 😁
Shit I must be missing a kernel module
sudo modprobe i-can-do-it-myself
I mean, if using Linux made that possible for the masses, it’d be the most popular operating system in history.
Unfortunately for regular people, it isn’t that simple ☹️.
Average lemmy thread
You’re god-damned right.
The hidden features are flags that Microsoft enables or disables for random users as part of A/B testing. The article contains a link to the various flags that can be enabled depending on your edition and version of Windows.
This is what i came for, i wanted to know what these features are. Thanks for saving me a click
Afaik it’s a tool to interact with an API to override A/B testing in an official way.
Apparantly some tool already exists that does it. Just not the official way.
Usual info-free article with clickbait headline. Tinfoil-heads will call it a “troll / honey-pot”, designed to attract and identify ‘troublemakers’.
And from that comment section, it’s working.
Yeah. It’s called windows 10.
I think you’re misremembering. It’s called Windows 7.
I think you’re misremembering. It’s called Linux. (I use Arch btw)
I just want it to stop self-destructing every two hours when I’m running it as a VM under Linux.
Maybe that’s one of the features you can enable.
Ah, you must have it set to Windows Millennium Edition mode
Assuming it’s precisely at the 2 hour mark, do you have snapshots enabled for that VM? If so, try turning them off.
Nope, no snapshots. The bugchecks in the logs vary with the last two being 0x0a and 0x3b - drivers and memory - but this is on both Stable and Latest virtio drivers and memtest86+ comes up clean on the hardware. I’ve never taken a snapshot of this VM since it’s on my workstation and not for production use.
What I have noticed, though, is an increase in memory utilization in the VM at idle, likely due to recent group policy changes and application updates (it is domain-joined). I’ll see if increasing the amount of memory allocated will take care of 0x3b.
Wait, what? What happens when you hit the two hour mark? I’d it like one of the router simulators that forces a reboot?
BSOD for whatever reason. Doesn’t matter, I can resume what I was doing pretty quickly, but it is mildly inconvenient.
I just use windows 10 for VM, it hasn’t crashed for me but I don’t use VMs for more than one or two hours
The biggest thing I want is to just move the task bar to the top of the screen. I can’t use my finger on my Surface tablet unless I remove the keyboard. Such idiocy…
Use StartAllBack. Not only does it restore the old Taskbar features, it also lets you do even more things, like have the Start button on the left but keep the icons centered, and customize the transparency level (among other things). You can even use your favorite era of Start menu (7, 8.1, 10). Personally I’m using Win7’s Start Menu with Windows 11-related buttons added in (like Settings).
(Edit: It does cost $5 after a 90 day trial, but that’s less than the cost of lunch, and with all the features you’re getting I’d gladly pay 10x the amount.)
This right here is why I run Linux. Holy hell. It just does whatever I want, for free.
Except support HDR. Which is the main reason why I use Win 11. No other OS does HDR properly.
I think that’s been working on Wayland with some gotchas for different applications. I forget, I use normal resolutions.
StartAllBack is good but I personally use and prefer Start11
Start11 is much better. I have a license for both and I periodically check in on StartAllBack every couple of months and nothing has made me want to go back to it.
favorite era of start menu
no XP
mfw
I think you can do XP too. Haven’t checked in awhile. Install the program and try for yourself.
Awesome, thanks for the tip!
$5 one time or subscription?
It’s a one time purchase. 100% worth it!
One time for one PC for personal use
Wait, y’all still have Start buttons?!
I don’t have W11. I have had my taskbar at the top of my screen since the 90s. W11 doesn’t allow this ?
Nope, it’s locked to the bottom.
How horrible. Who’s bright idea was that and were flying chairs involved?
That’s just stupid. I never have my taskbar anywhere else because it makes me ill. But fuck that, you can’t tell me where to put it…
Not only is it forced to the bottom.
It’s in the middleand you can’t ungroup tabs.The start menu can be in the left corner in Windows 11 just like older Windows versions.
Ah I thanks for the correction.
That’s not what they’re talking about. They’re talking about the taskbar icons. Power users like myself ungroup those because it’s annoying and not at all helpful. It stops being icons and goes back to the regular rectangles. I’m assuming you’ve used icons for so long you forgot what it looks like. Win11 let’s you do it in dev releases but I just use Start11 because it basically lets you do whatever you want with the taskbar.
I made no error.
My favourite is when I’m trying to click a notification tray thing and shit like teams messages keep popping up on top. Who the hell designed it so notifications come up on top of tray pop ups? So fucking stupid.
This angers me so, so much and every messenger app does it.
Dude right??? I’ve been losing my fucking mind. My home computer, work computer 2, and work computer VM are all top bar mounted. Work computer 1 for upgraded to 11 and it’s pissing me off. Every week I check for a way to change it back.
I think side is the best. When almost all monitors are wider than they are tall it makes more sense to put it on the short edge to use up less space.
You can do this with TaskbarX
Jesus Christ, just reading about Microsoft developing something called Moments made me nope out of that article.
Obv there’s worse things in this world, but goddamn it if Microsoft isn’t reclaiming its crown slowly. I think people forget/zoomers never knew, but Microsoft was once, rightly, one of the most hated corporations on earth. They were taken to court, in the United States!, for monopolistic practices. You gotta be doing some insaaaaane shit to get hit with that type of case in the US post-Reagan administration.
Microsoft’s name was basically equivalent to dogshit from the mid-90s until maybe the mid 2000s. Maybe 2010? Hard to put a finger on it. Windows 7 certainly did a lot to get people to calm down from a steady hate-boner.
I just wish, I fucking WISH, that if MS is gonna do this weird “make your pc your phone too! Dur hrr!” shit that they’d offer a Windows Lite ™️ edition where you can opt out of the little stupid assistant thing. No, Clippy, I don’t need help, fuck you very much. Let me opt out completely, without having to fuck with reg editor and CLI, from all types of ads, tracking, “offers for free shit,” all that shit. Just provide a barebones OS, let me add the programs I want, stop popping up telling me the .exe is a trojan sent to murder my dog just because you want me to download shit from your precious proprietary store, just stop all that shit. Something akin to Windows XP or Windows 7 type era. Neither OS was perfect and certainly many features in modern OSes are nice, but the simplicity found in them just because at the time they kind of HAD to be simple in order to function, is something I’d love for MS (and Apple too for that matter) to embrace.
But since none of that will happen, the next best thing I can hope is developers start making more and more programs run natively on Linux distro. Linux has come very far in my lifetime and I’m honestly excited that I can now use Linux basically for everything and only keep Windows installed as dual boot for a few specific tasks. I just hope it keeps growing in coming years. Hopefully demand from gamers for the steam deck and such drives more and more support for Linux. I can you one thing though… if my Windows updated and tells me “set up Moments! Click here!” I’m nuking that shit from orbit immediately. I don’t care what it does, I will never use any of that shit Microsoft packs into Windows. Probably sounds grump old man or whatever, but I just refuse. Stop adding dogshit no one asked for! This goes for basically all devs! Rant over, but I’m still pissed!
Microsoft’s name was basically equivalent to dogshit from the mid-90s until maybe the mid 2000s.
I’m old enough to remember well the Microsoft hate. It’s not so much they’ve changed their ways, but Google has now taken the trident and diverted attention away from them.
Yes, this right here. It’s really the same ol shitty Micro-fuck,
Google just wanted to be king of the shit-mound for the most morally and ethically bankrupt corporation of this age.[edit] Google and Facebook are just vying for the crown of “biggest asshole corporation in the world”Fuck all three but at least Google and Microsoft provide something I can potentially get some use out of, although I’m with you and plan to be 100% Linux in a few years
When choosing my last phone it was a case of “which is the least shitty of my options to share all my data with”
if my Windows updated and tells me “set up Moments! Click here!” I’m nuking that shit from orbit immediately.
Why wait? You seem to be fed up already. Reconsider the importance of those specific cases. I haven’t missed anything really after moving to Linux full-time. Forced to use Windows at work and that’s a daily reminder how bad it really has become.
I do use it use linux for most things and especially for light usage such as web browsing/chatting. Many games also work now thanks for new interest due to the steam deck, which is cool. Gone are the days, it seems, where you gotta read 14 forum pages on why your specific distro won’t boot this specific game. It’s honestly in the hands of the software devs at this point though. They gotta break from the standard for the last 20 or so years of catering only to Windows. I’m hoping the steam deck pushes more teams to embrace the Linux world. I’d also love for Valve to officially release a standalone desktop version of steamOS (or whatever their name is for their distro). I know people have kinda made hacky versions, but an officially supported version with real support for stuff like nvidia drivers (which is another thing… nvidia needs to get away from that shit) would be very cool and would certainly push other companies outside the steam universe to get on board too. It just seems like a matter of time thing now which is certainly better than “this will never happen” that it felt like a decade ago
At least you have wsl now. M$'s late to the party attempt to EEE.
This is the saving grace for so many people who are forced to use windows at work - I can do terminal stuff locally now which is great. Slow when working with windows directories (outside of WSL) but still great.
Other than games, run windows in virtualbox or with kvm if absolutely necessary while using Linux for everything else.
You gotta be doing some insaaaaane shit to get hit with that type of case in the US post-Reagan administration.
Yeah, they bundled a web browser with their operating system! Insaaaaaane!
Sounds like windows isn’t for you so why are you using it lmfao fucking Americans and their mental health issues 😭
Nice try, Microsoft, trying to get people to use Windows 11. Just focus on fixing Windows 12 and cut your losses.
Does it make Windows 11 not total dogshit?
Oh wait, no, it’s still Windows 11.
Back by popular demand! Right click on task bar for task manager!
But none of the other stuff. Thanks, Microsoft.
Regression of features = future.
It says that the tool is being shared around online but I can’t find it, anyone know where to get it? Just curious is all.
definitelythatcoolmicrosoftutility.exe
Isn’t this the same as BMW locking away functionality that exists in the product you purchased?
Not at all. It’s to by-pass the A/B testing of features part of the early insiders ring. And as the article says, there are already unofficial tools to do the same thing. Now we just have the ‘official’ command line tool made by MS, nothing more.
