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To the Israeli lawmaker I ask:
Gazans? Certainly you mean Hamas, right? RIGHT? The military group that attacked Israel on Oct 7th. Because if you mean really mean “Gazans must be destroyed” then that is the dictionary literal definition of genocide.
edit: for clarity to whom I’m addressing my questions
The Haaretz page seems to be unavailable right now. Here’s the MSN version:
And an archived copy:
The Haaretz page seems to be unavailable right now. Here’s the MSN version:
Apologies if my post wasn’t clear. I wasn’t questioning you personally, but rather the cited lawmaker in the article. I’ll edit my post to make that clear.
No, I just somehow managed to post my reply under your comment when I meant to post it at the top level. I didn’t have any issue with your comment.
They created this extermination camp.
Now they confirm they did it deliberately.
No country should ever support them again.And yet the US govt just said there is no war in Ba Sing… I mean… no genocide in Gaza.
This is an excellent reference. Very cogently used as well I might add. Avatar the Last Airbender was truly ahead of its time, and one of the greatest pieces of children’s media ever made in my humble opinion.
It is media that’s consumable by children, but I would absolutely not call it “children’s media”. It is a show that can be - and is - enjoyed in depth by humans of all ages.
Liked it as a kid and really enjoyed a proper watch through as an adult
I’d like to remind people that the heritage foundation helped netanyahu to engineer this situation over the course of decades, . Mandatory military service + a lifetime of consistent propaganda is more than most people can overcome
Israel can be better… Netanyahu and his administration? They can fuck all the way off
Yeah, but how will America maintain peace and security without a military base in the Middle East (btw totally not colonialism)? (/s obviously)
I know you’re being sarcastic but people unironically believe it. So let me just say they can use the largest US base in the Middle East which is in the UAE.
Israeli lawmaker Moshe Saada from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party said on Tuesday that recent widespread calls to “destroy” the residents of the Gaza Strip affirm that the right-wing was right.
In an interview on pro-Netanyahu Channel 14, Saada said that even “in the kibbutzim they say, ‘destroy them.’ My friends at the prosecutor’s office, who fought with me on political matters, in debates, tell me, ‘Moshe, it is clear that all the Gazans need to be destroyed,’ and these are statements I have never heard.” This proves, he said, that the right-wing was correct just as it was on the Palestinian issue.
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In November, Far-right Eliyahu said that that dropping a nuclear weapon on the Gaza Strip is “an option.”
Eliyahu, a member of National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir’s Otzma Yehudit party, maintained that “there are no non-combatants in Gaza.” He was then asked, in light of his views, whether a nuclear attack on the Gaza Strip is an option. “That’s one way,” he responded.
Seems pretty clear and unambiguous what he means. This is calling for genocide.
In response, Ben-Gvir said that the Eliyahu was only speaking "metaphorically.
A ridiculous statement.
A metaphorical nuclear weapon, much better.
But when I post anything anti-genocide - I get banned from Facebook for being anti-Semitic?
Well it’s because you’re not an Israeli lawmaker.
Israel means to assert that to be Jewish is to be genocidal.
Sounds pretty antisemitic of them
Israel also killed Israeli hostages and funneled money to Hamas. The Israeli government and IDF have a history of antisemitism
“It also confirms for many people in the world the allegation that Israel does intend to commit genocide,” he added.
Yes. Yes it does.
what’s clear to everyone is bibi and the far right are doing genocide. his popularity is around 4% over there, and the court just said sorry bibi, you still gotta stand trial for theft and corruption. what we call “the far right” is what the ancients called “evil.” it’s all about greed, lies, hatred, killing, blood, cruelty, and so on. nothin good come of it because it’s literally evil. doesn’t matter what the nationality or history of where it’s born. bibi has no more care for jews than he does for palestinians, just like the far right over here doesn’t give a rats ass about the rednecks and fanatics it winds up for its own gain.
Wow. Amazing. How the tables have turned.
Weird how that happens. I mean seriously. It makes no sense how terrible a peoples’ memory can be.
I’m not a person of belief but by their own lore, they have fell in disgrace again, by their own actions.
"You see this shit!? This is why we kicked them out. " --Spain
Realistically I’m not a proponent of genocide or exile against anyone (and no one should be!), but I really do feel like the world would have done Israel a true favor by nipping this Middle Eastern paranoid tribal victimhood thing in the bud back in the 90s or earlier. This is a fine example of how terroristic activity has nothing at all to do with a religious system.
It should have been nipped in the bud in 1947. The UK should have made a point of fighting the Israeli terrorists and setting up a proper post colonial government like they did everywhere else. But this was the desired outcome by people in power at the time. Their last grasp at colonialism and a giant middle finger to the locals who were taking the empire a part bit by bit every year at that point.
Do you ever wish you could be there just to call all of these people out? I mean I don’t possess the eloquence to do it right but still. Seeing people in suits calling for the destruction of others really makes me grip my palms.
It honestly seems pretty clear only to apartheid regimes hell bent on ethnic cleansing.
That’s the language of the team on defense!
I have a question but I want to make it clear that I am asking in good faith as I fumble my way through understanding the complexities of geopolitics, and I am not casting aspersions or pushing a conspiracy theory. I am especially not taking a position in defense of Israel, or against their accountability to the ICC.
Okay, that said: Is South Africa pushing this at the behest of Russia, like as a BRICS thing? The only other thing I can think of is that this helps improve the image of an embattled ANC at home.
I get why they have a unique perspective given their defeat of apartheid, and that’s likely the steelman for why they are advancing this, but that just seems like too pat of an answer.
I would love additional perspectives on this.
I suspect whats going on here is that the South Africans know what kind of people Zionists are, since the old apartheid government used to partner with them.
As horrible as South African apartheid was, what is happening to the Palestinans is degrees worse.
Ordinary South Africans still remember the deep damage Apartheid perpetrators inflicted on us, it’s poisonous remnants are still affecting us as a country to this day as we try to heal as a people.
Now imagine South Africans seeing what Israel is perpetrating against the Palestinians, now and in the past. It’s a punch to the gut, a searing pain, to see what was done to us and our parents being done to Palestinians. We’re seeing a gross refined version of Apartheid that was inflicted on us being inflicted on the Palestinians. And largely the so called west/ global north is cheering for the Israeli Apartheid regime commiting genocide. It makes me sick to my core.
For these reasons there is immense pressure on our government by civil society to denounce Israel and support Palestine. It does help that the ANC has always been pro Palestinian in the first place. Also it’s elections this year so the ANC definitely wants some good pr too.
I would say that these points factor in way more than any link to Russia or China
I’ve heard Irish people say they support Palestine for similar reasons. They didn’t go through an apartheid, but they went through oppressive colonization being done on them.
An additional perspective is that the Apartheid government became an ally of convenience with Israel to the point that they created a joint nuclear weapons program together. Then you have the political pressure African union states have for maintaining robust trading agreements with Arab states. There’s a ton of history there
Thank you for this!
I don’t think it’s a BRICS thing at all. It’s what their own population want. South Africa has long been critical of apartheid in Israel.
Moreover back when South Africa was under Apartheid, for a long time Israel was one of its main trading partners even after the west had imposed sanctions, and it also contributed directly to the white military. They eventually joined the boycott but the damage was done.
Only on Lemmy would you need to add all of those disclaimers before asking a legitimate question.
Perhaps, but I was conditioned more by reddit than Lemmy, as were likely most of us.
Or a person sees shitbots parroting Kremlin and CCP talking points all across the web and wants to avoid getting lumped in with them.
Have you just never experienced what manners are good online discourse look like? I admit its rare thing, but your statement reads like you’re looking at a filet mignon and asking why its missing a leaf of iceberg lettuce, a dollop of ketchup, and a sesame seed bun.
Let’s just say that, hypothetically, the OP didn’t hold a pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli viewpoint. In that case, would they have to lie and add those disclaimers in order to be “well mannered”?
My point is that anyone should be able to ask a simple question about why South Africa are the ones filing this case at the ICJ. It shouldn’t matter what their overarching beliefs are, nor should they be required to submit their liberal bona fides before they are allowed ask the question.
That’s not good manners, that’s an echo chamber.
The point is that what you described is not unique to lemmy.
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