And they’re already kissing Trump’s ass
I’m starting to think of Trump as one of those old school firefighters that would set fires and then swoop in to put the fire out lol.
Otherwise known by the modern term: Grifter
He was one of the first people saying to ban it in 2020. To me it’s more like he is easily swayed with lobbying so it ends up looking like he is a pioneer on pushing new policy when in actuality he is the first person people go to when they need to bribe a politician.
This is not unique to Trump. Politicians say “they changed their views” if there is enough oil to grease wheels.
Except it doesn’t have the capability to put out fires, so it just starts them, then declares having put them out and leaves them burning
Yeah, but the ban passed with overwhelming bipartisan support, randomly jammed inside of the global military spending package including funding the Ukrainian war effort and the genocide in Gaza (which is a must-support bill for Democrats and Republicans alike I guess).
if people can’t go this long without tiktok they’re addicted to social media and it should stay banned
There was kids and teenagers calling 911 because the service was down. I think we’re long past that concern
THIS SHIT MADE ME BURTS OUT LAUGHING
Should see a doctor. I burts out laughing once. 3 month recovery time.
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Spreading for awareness, I’ve been posting this in relevant threads for a week - This is all theater.
trump is going to “save” tik tok after starting the initial push to ban it (for the wrong reasons) to pretend he did something for you. Worst part is that all of the no/low info voters and non voters will eat it up.
It’s the equivalent of a person pushing you into the middle of the street and at the very last second, that same person tells the drivers to all stop. “Wow, I owe you my life!”
And now, this adds two layers:
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You think trump and the Supreme Court are colluding? now they get to say, nah uh!!! Even though again, this is all convoluted.
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trump gets to look “stronger” than the “highest court in the land” to help delude the next generation of low info tiktok folks.
P.s. The Chinese “protest” apps are going to mine the FUCK out of these millions of phones in the brief window they have them. Also, when the kids inevitably move back to tiktok, majority of them will leave these other apps installed on their phones, dormant and collecting in the background.
I think there’s an even simpler explanation: political debt to Jeff Yass (15% tiktok owner) and his cash for the 2024 campaign.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/donald-trump-jeff-yass
Trump doesn’t have the power to “save” TikTok.
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You know I could but seeing as you’re being an absolute twat for no reason at all, I’m sure it would be in vain to explain to you how Trump is not (yet) an emperor.
You openly represent yourself as a PhD, a cancer researcher, a college professor, more than that a department chair, with a public relations responsibility to your college… and you’re here in a tiktok thread calling me a twat in an open forum? And all in a passive defense of donald trump?
You literally just fabricated 100% of that. WTF is wrong with you?
Wow, so you’re saying that’s not you… So you’ve STOLEN this man’s identity? Uh oh…
Where how do I report this fake account?
Look out, the internet police has arrived! 👮♀️🚨🚔😂
Stop trying to distract everyone from what a twat you’re being.
Why does Trump need to pretend to do something for you?
Trump has your support no matter what. He will rape children but you’ll line up to vote for him.
With that said he’s already in office. Your opinion is meaningless to him. He already got what he needed from you.
Stop trying to find reason in a situation devoid of reason. You’re clinging to that for personal comfort, if you feel like you can wrap it with a bow, you feel in control of it. You’re not.
He’s a broken narcissist and a psychopath. His dad didn’t love him and told him so. He’ll spend every worthless day of his life trying to get his dead dad to say “I was wrong about you”, and of course, his dad is dead so that won’t happen (wouldn’t have anyway, as that guy was likely an even bigger piece of shit, just not born with money like trump was so didn’t reach the same heights).
So ask yourself why you don’t realize the above. If there’s an end to this presidency, or if say he gets diagnosed with a terminal disease, there’s a non-zero chance he launches all of the nukes with the hope of a worldwide nuclear holocaust - because at the end of the day, if his life was ending, and you told trump he could press a button and be sure that nobody was laughing at him after death, posthumously convicting him of crimes or just pissing on his grave, he’d kill every single person on the chance.
A stranger’s opinion is meaningless to him? Brother, it’s fucking everything to him.
Nice doom posting bro 👍
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So I am assuming most Lemmy people don’t use Tiktok or Meta stuff. Here is some things you may or may not already know.
- Shou (CEO) made a parting video praising Trump on the last day
- Shou will be on the stage with all the other tech billionaires during inauguration
- People have noticed the last couple days that FB and Instagram have had a “link your Tiktok account” so you don’t lose anything on the platform
I think it’s pretty obvious now that Tiktok is going to become a part of Meta one way or another.
People have noticed the last couple days that FB and Instagram have had a “link your Tiktok account”
WTF, how is this not news everywhere?
And now Trump gets to be the one who saved TikTok, despite starting the process.
It’s an own-goal for Biden - an unpopular law that starts being enforced the day before Trump gets to stop enforcing it.
No one is enforcing it, it’s a play by TikTok. TikTok did it voluntarily. The server is still there, my wife logged in and saw the notice.
It’s just theater.
No one is enforcing it, it’s a play by TikTok. TikTok did it voluntarily
Yup. In fact, Biden had specifically said he will not enforce the ban.
Which, incidentally…might be the same thing Trump does to “unban TikTok” once he takes office. Which is bizarre, on both sides. Like…that’s literally not legal for a president to do. They can’t legally just ignore an Act of Congress.
Not that the law matters in America anymore. The Supreme Court has pretty definitively seen to that.
enforcement is up to the ag, so yea. they could just ‘ignore’ the law.
the only thing the ‘president’ can do is extend the deadline by 90 days given evidence that the company is closing-in on a deal.
with scotus out of the way, ruling in favor of trump’s initial desires, and that which subsequently passed through congress; it is now up to congress to undo the legislation if they so choose.
enforcement is up to the ag, so yea. they could just ‘ignore’ the law.
In practice, there’s no real mechanism to force it (especially if Congress is unwilling to impeach & convict). But legally speaking, the Take Care clause of the constitution obligates the President (through his executive) to enforce all laws passed by Congress. Ignoring it would be unconstitutional.
When has trump ever cared about the constution?
You’re talking about the guy who wants to end birthright citizenship.
$10 says Trump influenced TikTok to go dark today to make him look better when it turns it back on tomorrow.
We all know they didn’t actually have to do this.
TikTok and its service providers are liable. “No one is enforcing” is meaningless, because they can still be prosecuted retrospectively if the US Government changes its mind.
Yup. They even asked for clarification on the “no enforcement” and the Biden administration basically just said “it is what it is”.
What big company is going to take a risk like that?
What are they risking, exactly? The entire company has essentially been banned from the country, so they have nothing to lose.
As designed by the republicans. There are legitimate reasons to regulate tiktok, if Biden opposed though, they’d say he was a weak Chinese sympathizer, if he complied, they’d do this.
It was a trap where you were fucked either way, as the republican think tank ghouls drew it out.
Not sure why you think it’s an own goal. Biden didn’t set the day for it to take effect, that was written into the law by Congress. You could say it was an own goal because Biden announced he wasn’t going to enforce it, but that seems to be the opposite of what you’re trting to claim And even with that decision to not enforce the law for 1 day before the Trump admin takes over, none of the companies TikTok works with like Apple or Google to list it in the app stores gave a shit about that lack of enforcement because of the uncertainty.
Not to mention Trump being the start of the ban in the first place. He was President when all of this started to work it’s way through the process, even if Biden was the President when it actually made it through Congress, with bipartisan support. Trump only changed positions because he wants TokTok to pay him to continue to allow it to continue.
More Americans have TikTok accounts than vote. For a shitload of normies who have only the vaguest notion of politics and current affairs, the app they’ve been enjoying gets cut off as the defining event of the waning days of the Biden administration. They are not going to care about how Trump tried to do it first, or it was bipartisan, or whatever. It’s hard not to see how this will cost Dems dearly.
No it won’t. Biden is already out of office as far as normies are concerned. He has been since the election, but definitely within 24 hours of inauguration. TikTok stops working and the next thing they see is Trump having a huge party with a shit ton of pomp and circumstance for his inauguration as he gets into the White House. And then TikTok still doesn’t work when they open it up. Maybe he brings it back, maybe he doesn’t. Voters don’t pay enough attention to separate his inauguration and the TikTok ban happening 24 hours apart, they’ll bundle it together as one event.
Unless he gets a massive cash infusion from Bytedance in the next 24 hours, he won’t give TikTok an extension on day one in office. He’s the kind of person that expects his payment up front.
So everyone will instead see it stop working as President Trump takes over, and then it continuing to not work after. Some may give him the benefit of the doubt, but they weren’t ever going to vote for anyone else anyway, he’s their God Emperor President and they’ve confirmed their world view around him being perfect.
Heck, he might try to spin it as some sort of promotional opportunity for Truth Social.
The law isn’t being enforced. TikTok can just put it back up tomorrow and imply it was Trump that did it.
Didn’t Biden specifically say that enforcement was up to Trump?
Democrats getting played by Republicans, a classic.
Hey, look over here at the TikTok performative theatrics while we set up an oligarchy and rob you of your labor, your health, and your livelihood.
Tiktoks removel is not a distraction from oligarchy, it is oligarchy in action. This is meta collecting on what they paid congress for.
So wait, you’re complaining cause they did something? But if they had done nothing you’d also be complaining
You see me complaining? I’ve never used TikTok, but the entire controversy around it is just wag-the-dog type distraction.
Tik Tok removed platform access from their US userbase voluntarily.
This was their choice.
The law is literally not even being enforced.
Multiple apps must have done so.
That’s what I see when I search for Marvel Snap on the playstore. Someone mentioned it was down as well earlier
Because they are distributed by a company that is owned by Bytedance. You know. The people who own Tik Tok.
Yeah, that’s why I brought that one up
I hear that businesses existing in the face of unenforced laws are really stable and enduring. \s
Large businesses literally operate in conflict with the law until the law directly forces consequences, usually in monetary form. So, until they get caught and are forced not to do the thing. Explain to me why this is any different.
Noteworthy thing I haven’t seen mentioned here: They apparently only removed app access. The website still works just fine.
The website didn’t work from US IPs last night, but it’s back already.
Bytedance’s long-term hope is naturally to be able to continuing operating everywhere without violating any laws. Right? Therefore, their strategy is to stay as compliant as possible with various national laws (within reason), right? Therefore they have to take a conservative reading of the bill (PAFACA). So let’s look at the text of the bill:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text
(1) PROHIBITION OF FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS.—It shall be unlawful for an entity to distribute, maintain, or update (or enable the distribution, maintenance, or updating of) a foreign adversary controlled application by carrying out, within the land or maritime borders of the United States, any of the following: […]
Now, the actual distribution of TikTok is done by a U.S. corp, incorporated in California and Delaware. That corp has to stay compliant with these laws. Therefore, to maintain or update or enable the distribution of an app as defined in this bill, is legally punishable. Make sense? Particularly because the law mentions them by name, there is basically zero legal defense against it besides contesting its constitutionality. Which the horrifically corrupt Supreme Court upheld.
So, probably the only way they felt comfortable resuming operations in the U.S. was with some kind of written agreement with the Trump admin - as of yet undisclosed.
Late to the post, but a friend got this on their phone when they tried opening it again
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Pitiful.
Shame.
im baffled by the blase response by lemmy users to government overreach
Same! It is definitively unconstitutional and the us gov just pushed it through anyway (with even supreme court backing it up?!) Shit is crazy, and yet I see a lot of ‘no big loss’ type comments on it.
The SCOTUS decision was wild too, because it was a fucking 9-0 vote. The decision was unanimous. That’s a word that’s virtually never used to describe the SCOTUS or any kind of government vote. That unanimous decision made it perfectly clear that the government knows something we don’t, and that TikTok had them fucking terrified. My bet is on the genocide being much worse than even TikTok was showing, but TikTok was the only place you could see anything about it that didn’t have a massive “Israel is just helping them root out terrorists” spin.
That unanimous decision made it perfectly clear that the government knows something we don’t,
Yeah, they know who pays their checks.
My bet is on the genocide being much worse than even TikTok was showing,
TikTok showed them incinerating an entire civilization. Not sure what you saw on there.
I said exactly that a few days ago. Got downvoted nicely, hope you have better luck.
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/14527149
Your comment made me feel a little more sane.
I wonder how much of all this is just the government realizing that social media is the next world-changing weapon.
Why dig out your nukes or your fighter jets to destroy the enemy when you can instead make them like you?
I didn’t bother following the court case, what were they arguing, freedom of the press?
The law boiled down says any applications from Rushia or China are inherently a security risk and therefore can be banned no questions asked (currently they have to go app by app) which to put it simply is extremely concerning. Straight up US great firewall type shit
Not all apps, review/travel sites get a pass, and the decision is left to the president, which is a dumb way to do it.
DIVISION H-- PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS ACT
Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act
(Sec. 2) This division prohibits distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a foreign adversary controlled application (e.g., TikTok). However, the prohibition does not apply to a covered application that executes a qualified divestiture as determined by the President.
Under the division, a foreign adversary controlled application is an application directly or indirectly operated by (1) ByteDance, Ltd., TikTok, their subsidiaries, successors, related entities they control, or entities controlled by a foreign adversary country; or (2) a social media company that is controlled by a foreign adversary country and determined by the President to present a significant threat to national security. (Here, a social media company excludes any website or application primarily used to post product reviews, business reviews, or travel information and reviews.)
Right? 170 million people just get censored by the government.
170 million people
Where’s that number coming from. Maybe you mean the 165 billion installs , but that’s not active users and double counts people installing on multiple devices. Tik tok has 50 million dau Of those maybe 10% is actually “speaking” and creating content that the other 90% consume so around 5 million people.
And those 5 million people aren’t silenced, they can still go on to one of multiple apps that provide the same service and allows them to get there message out. He’ll they could come on to the fediverse and post blatant ccp propaganda and no one will do anything.
Boomer lib shit.
You think silencing half the entire population of the country is boomer lib shit?
Ok, boomer.
Of course they’re kissing Trump’s ass. How else is anyone gonna get anything done in the next 4 years? American democracy is broken, and under unitary executive theory endorsed by all branches of government the President is basically a king with term limits and no shiny hat. It’s no way to run a country, but it’s where we’re at so why would we expect TikTok to do anything else?
I wish people knew that TikTok being banned was more about it not suppressing posts about Palestine than national security or whatever else they say. Antony Blinken and Mitt Romney outright said last year it was about stopping people from seeing the truth about Israel committing genocide. If the government actually cared about foreign influence operations they’d regulate data privacy and social media algorithms in some way (idk how, but I’m sure you could) but they obviously won’t because US companies manipulating people and stealing their data is totally fine.
If that were true then they wouldn’t have given ByteDance the option to sell 80% to citizens and continue operating.
The law also bans every company from doing the same thing, sending personal data to any of the listed adversarial nations or being more than 20% owned by them. Why ban every company if they only cared about the Palestine message?
If that were true then they wouldn’t have given ByteDance the option to sell 80% to citizens and continue operating.
Except the entire point of that is the U.S. ownership would succumb to that pressure.
*U.S. Citizen Ownership
Because yeah, Chinese Military ownership is problematic for an app used by US Citizens.
Oh, now it’s owned by the Chinese military?
Which part of “freedom of speech” involves precluding us from ingesting content from a country our government decided it doesn’t like? Or electing to send our own device data or interactions to that country?
It was always owned by Chinese Military.
Sure, if you say so.
Making ByteDance sell 80% to US companies is a win for the powers that be because then that too can be manipulated by right-wing oligarchs.
I don’t trust Chinese companies all that much either, but Mitt Romney outright said this was about Palestine, you can see another reply of mine below with a link.
So how are a ton of people going to red note? Shouldn’t that have been banned a long time ago if they ban every company?
Probably difficult to enforce if RedNote doesn’t have American servers or offices, we will see if anything happens.
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How did you go from “foreign influence operations” to “US companies manipulating people”
Facebook and YouTube have for years boosted conservative people and posts/videos: this is fine according to the powers that be.
Russia and no doubt countless others run influence operations through all US social media companies: this is also fine according to the powers that be.
China probably runs influence operations through a Chinese social media company: this is a national security problem that needs to be dealt with!!
The reasons TikTok is maybe being banned are because it’s the only major social media that isn’t suppressing pro-Palestine speech and because it’s not owned by a right-wing US oligarch. Musk is the shadow president, Zuckerberg is blatantly sucking up to Trump, etc etc.
It’s likely just staged bullshit so he can be the savior.
The entirety of global capitalism is lining up to bend the knee and gargle fascist balls.
This is what leftists have been warning forever. Capitalism wants the monopolies, bailouts — the political, financial and military backing, etc — that state-capitalist dictatorships provide. Democratically elected governments, acting in the interests of the people, are really the only threat to the corporate oligarchies wealth and power.
All of the wests “enemies” are equally supportive of fascism, because state-capitalist dictators are easier to influence (bribe).
I did some research and now I know why Trump wants to “save” TikTok.
https://www.theinformation.com/articles/how-tiktok-courted-conservatives-before-trumps-win
https://www.isdglobal.org/isd-publications/tiktok-and-white-supremacist-content/
This one is especially damning:
TikTok is spending $50,000 on an inauguration party honoring influencers who helped Donald Trump spread his campaign message, according to the party organizer — and it’s scheduled for Sunday, the deadline for the company to spin off from its China-based owner or be banned in the U.S.
CEO Shou Zi Chew is expected to attend.
Well yeah, it’s no secret that TikTok had a white supremacy problem. There was a researcher who discovered that they could make a brand new account and (by only interacting with certain types of content) get white supremacists on their For You page within 20 minutes. Algorithmic feeds are funny like that, because they just gauge engagement. The algorithm isn’t making any moral decisions on whether the engaging content is socially acceptable. For better or worse, it just goes “this person likes this content, so I’ll show them more.”
$50,000
lol peanuts aren’t that damning… Capital in USA is spending millions and millions on Trump’s inauguration.
Surreal watching the rest of the internet freaking out. Meanwhile we are just sitting here on our own platforms doing our own things.
Personally, I never saw the appeal of TikTok anyway.
Then again I also was never interested in Twitter.
I guess my attention span isn’t short enough for that type of sites.
I’m right there with you, but I don’t see a compelling reason why either should be banned.
I would scroll a bit after someone linked me a video. Content was fun, but after like 3 minutes, I could feel something wrong in my brain. Like just the nonstop influx of content with no breaks. You might think one video was faked, but you didn’t have enough time to contemplate it before another shows up in its place.
I have some friends who spend hours on it. I can’t imagine deciding to participate in that for so long.
Short video formats on all platforms make me very quickly feel like I’m going crazy. Just one voice after another, trying to cram whatever they have to say into your ears, or one joke taken out of context, or one simplistic moral, or absurdist humor that wouldn’t hold up for longer than a few seconds. My partner watches endless “reels” on Facebook, and that hurried talking they all do, with all those cuts to make sure there’s no gap between words, makes me fell very weird and agitated. It’s like everyone has the same voice. And then it keeps looping. I waste far too much time on Lemmy but the short video stuff seems like another level of brain melt.
TikTok has tons of issues but this bugs me so much. There are many examples of people sharing their creativity, their skill, their knowledge, their passion to the world on tiktok and it’s so good at exposing you to it if you are interested in seeing all kinds of people expressing themselves.
Since when does the value of content correlate directly with the amount of time it consumes?
is brevity no longer the soul of wit??
is brevity no longer the soul of wit??
Maybe, if that’s your only goal.
Trying to make any sort of nuanced or subtle point about anything important is pretty much impossible in such an artificially limited format, though.
Sure, simple political memes can be done in a compact frame, but actually discussing the framework surrounding that meme, or trying to correct a bit of misinformation is not really possible to do under those same limitations of time or character count.
there’s more to life than political discourse 🤷♂️
How many other examples would you like?
you’re missing my point that there are many things in life that don’t require several hours of context and nuance. And those things aren’t automatically invaluable because they don’t require much time to grasp and move on.
For example, a one-panel comic may only take a few moments to parse and enjoy. Does that mean it can only be enjoyed by those “with short attention spans”? Does that mean its value is inherently less?
I wouldn’t say that I don’t see the appeal of it. I would probably get sucked right in if I gave it a shot. It’s a consciouss decision on my part to simply not do that. I don’t not-consume short-form media because I’m better than the people who do, I prohibit it from myself.
Drag gave youtube shorts a try when it came out, and then installed an extension to disable them because they’re boring.
You talk like a redditor, someone who needs people to hear their opinion even if it doesnt add anything.
I’m willing to bet close to 100% of lemmy.world users are from reddit. Where does this sense of superiority come from?
Chances are they came from reddit too lol
Tiktok ban is a good opportunity to educate the common folk on the benefits of federation
Although I am not sure if short video format addicts’ needs can be fixed with this elegant solution but it definitely works well enough as reddit and twitter replacement.
It’s called Instagram or YouTube Shorts. Same thing…TikTok offered nothing new. And I’m here, but all I see on Lemmy are the same posts 3-4 times, predictable pearl clutching reactions to everything, and very limited news coverage with a proclivity for posting random, fringe sources
I don’t respect corporate trash… But if it works for you, great!
Make sure to have location sharing enabled;)
Video hosting is too expensive for a platform that’s not run by a big company.
Shit ain’t free!
But text is cheap enough to make text base federated social media a thing. So freedom oriented plebs have a refuge.
I don’t see how this has anything to do with federated platforms. I’d argue that watching Loops is just as bad for one’s mental health than TikTok is.
