Summary
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accused Donald Trump of living in a “Russian-made disinformation space” due to his administration’s talks with Kremlin officials.
He urged Trump’s team to be “more truthful” after Trump blamed Kyiv for the war and downplayed U.S. aid contributions.
Zelenskyy’s remarks came as U.S. envoy Keith Kellogg visited Kyiv amid shifting U.S. policy on Russia. Meanwhile, European leaders, feeling sidelined by U.S.-Russia talks, held emergency meetings.
Zelenskyy canceled a Saudi Arabia trip in protest.
Why is the draft Dodger trying to start a war.
Easy, he won’t have to fight in it, and he figures he could make a shitload of money!
It’s the same false reality bubble that got Putin to think he could take Ukraine in 3 days, Same one that made Britain dipshits think Brexit was going to be a golden age and it was the opposite, and now Trump and his republican dumbfucks are under the same illusion that rewinding the clock to the late 1800s and trying to force this country to be a christian kingdom of conformity and idiocy will be a good thing long term and not spell the end of this place allowing China to finalize their technological power takeover and become the new pinnacle of influence on the planet. Wouldn’t be surprised if all of these very priceless high level intel all roots from China.
Why China? Why not the billionaires in each of their own countries? The “Dark Gothic MAGA” doc is not just eye opening to what could be going on in the US, but for other countries under influence by a wealthy elite as well. I think China are able to quash these shadow movements since they maintain a large controller of their industrial sectors while also operating in the shadows. Because they have this control, I can see why we use them as a scapegoat. However, the ones with the most influence, the most accessibility, and the most to gain in the short term are the heads of industry. With the technological advancements of recent decades, those heads of industry can be found to be influencing the very means by which the people and therefore world leaders make decisions
Lol. no. Trump is living in Trump made disinformation space.
Zelenskyy acting more like the character expected of an American president than the one who got elected to be America’s President.
Can we start calling Trump supporters Commies now, I feel that would make them mad.
They will just tell you Russia isn’t Communists.
The only difference is the guy in charge, flag and name. Still the same people and same methodes
About time someone stood up to the orange bully. Go VZ, go! 🇺🇦
Yes, it’s called the bank account of Russia… that’s the disinformation space he’s in. Just swimming in it. Filthy
He urged Trump’s team to be “more truthful”
Trump responded by calling Zelensky a “dictator without elections”, and suggested his ratings were low.
(for those curious: the Ukrainian law
constitutionprohibits electing a president during war, it’s especially hard with 20% of the country under hostile control; and regarding Zelensky’s rating, it’s about 57%70%currently)After that, some Republicans with a spine (Mike Pence, Don Bacon, Thom Tillis, Mike Rounds, John Kennedy, et al) also called out Trump to be more truthful.
If Elon is true to his word, he now has to give 100 M to politicians who oppose those Republicans in primaries. Because he threatened to beat anyone who badmouths his boss with his wallet.
(for those curious: the Ukrainian constitution prohibits electing a president during war, it’s especially hard with 20% of the country under hostile control; and regarding Zelensky’s rating, it’s about 70% currently)
A lot of Ukrainians have also fled the country, it makes no sense to organize this before ending the war. Why do we have to have this discussion? They are at war, marshal law is common during times of war to keep your country unified during these periods. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have vast oceans between them and their adversaries to allow for elections of their highest office to continue uninterrupted.
Because this isn’t about fair elections, it’s about getting a puppet government in charge who will just end the war freely by bending over for Russia. As if Putin and Trump actually care about fair elections… absolute clown show.
Right, and the puppet in charge will be rather obvious. The only other candidate that would win in a fair Ukrainian election is even more aggressive about opposing Russia than Zelenskyy, but since this is going to be rigged neither of those will win.
lies
Point them out, specifically.
constitution prohibits electing a president during war,
YOU point that out, specifically.Get fucked, fascist, they don’t hold elections during martial law, which has been in effect since your fellow fascists invaded.
LOL see, you can’t find it, cause it’s not in their constitution.
And you should treally stop projecting.
The fascists are slightly different red and blue MAGA fascists and racists, continuously attacking, invading and stealing from poor countries and the Banderite ones you support in ex-ukranus.
Looks like you lost in both cases, lol enjoy seething and crying about it.
Your banana republic provides top entertainment to us civilised European countries.Again, simply fascinating, essentially “no U!” 🤣
Russia doesn’t attack civilians and elections are easy to hold while being invaded. Please, tell us more, comrade!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Ukraine “The Constitution of Ukraine allows for some specific restrictions on rights and freedoms when the state of martial law is in effect.[10] The Constitution explicitly extends the five-year authority of the Verkhovna Rada (the national parliament of Ukraine) in the state of martial law until the first meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine of the next parliamentary term, elected after the cancellation of the state of martial law.[11] Scholars have stated that the Ukrainian constitution does not hold national elections while martial law is in effect.[12] The 2023 Ukrainian parliamentary election were not held and the 2024 Ukrainian presidential election also did not take place on its scheduled date of 31 March 2024.[13][12]”
I am not posting this for @bloomcole, as that guy is a pathetic troll. But posting for others uses of this site.
@bloomcole will thank you anyway since you’ve proven that he is right. Verkhovna Rada (the national parliament of Ukraine) is NOT THE PRESIDENT.
As always, the Banderite coup defenders demonstrably LIE I rest my case loser
@bloomcole will surely thank this info, as stated by @bloomcole himself.
This is just sad
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Yes, let’s clear that up - it was a law, not the constitution.
Constitution, article 83(4) - extends the Parliament’s powers until martial law is over. Also allows for the possibility of martial law, says that under martial law, some rights may be restricted.
Ordinary law, “On the Legal Regime of Martial Law” - forbids elections during martial law.
So, holding elections in Ukraine during war is merely illegal. And I repeat - with 20% of the country occupied, and millions in emigration, very hard. If you hold a public meeting with your voters and a ballistic missile arrives, then what?
But since you consider them “banderite coup defenders”, you clearly take your clues from Moscow-based sources - why concern yourself with technicalities in law? The Kremlin does not concern itself with law, international, Ukraininan or Russian for that matter - it does what it wants. And you’re verbally supporting that.
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Yes, an Estonian anarchist named “perestroika”. You can read my blog at: http://perestroika.pw/ to see if I’m a nazi russophobe.
Can I do a background check in return? :)
Oh, you only registered 3 days ago, likely because you got your previous account banned by pushing Kremlin talking points.
John Kennedy
i’ll always know him as the “i can’t wait to have your cock in my mouth” guy
LOL nothing but lies
it has ‘grown’ to 57% and this from their own biased sources
https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainians-trust-in-zelensky-increases-to-57-survey-shows/Another lie is that the constitution forbids elections:
Ukraine’s Constitution does not explicitly address the issue of wartime elections, except for Article 83(4) that provides for the extension of the Parliament’s powers until the day of the first meeting of the first session of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine (the Ukrainian Parliament), elected after the termination of martial law or state of emergency.
https://verfassungsblog.de/ukraines-constitution-in-wartime/
And really, it’s not hard to hold an election.
Russia is not israel, they don’t attack civilians (despite what similar liars to yourself will claim) and civilian infrastructure and life goes on.
Perfectly fine to hold elections. The 20% is ethnic Russian and no longer ukraine, they wouldn’t vote for him or the fascist Banderites that attacked them anyway.
Who knows, maybe the Americans can have another Nuland-Pyatt call and choose a president for them.
That worked out fine didn’t it?Russia is not israel, they don’t attack civilians (despite what similar liars to yourself will claim) and civilian infrastructure and life goes on.
"As of 31 August, the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine (HRMMU) had verified that conflict-related violence had killed 11,743 civilians and injured 24,614 in Ukraine since 24 February 2022.
During the reporting period, Russian armed forces continued to target energy infrastructure across Ukraine, affecting essential services and deepening concerns about the plight of the civilian population with winter approaching."
Honesty seems to be a problematic concept for the people supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine…
Also, I am surprised you even pretend to care about constitutions considering Putin had to rewrite Russias to stay in power past 2024.
Notably, those are the fully documented and verified numbers. The true amount is of course much larger.
Yes, and it’s not including the initial invasion and occupation from 2014-2022. However, these types of people see any kind of logical assumption as outright manipulation and opportunities to validate their “alternative facts”.
Oh yes, only the Rada was mentioned in the constitution. The president was mentioned in an ordinary law. As the blog you linked explains:
As discussed elsewhere, the prohibition of wartime elections is established in Ukraine’s statutory law. Ukraine’s Constitution does not explicitly address the issue of wartime elections, except for Article 83(4) that provides for the extension of the Parliament’s powers until the day of the first meeting of the first session of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine (the Ukrainian Parliament), elected after the termination of martial law or state of emergency. Nothing similar is made with respect to the president. According to one of the drafters of the Constitution, this special treatment of Parliament was originally aimed to enhance Parliament’s standing in the constellation of powers and prevent possible abuses during wartime or national emergency.
Law of Ukraine “On the Legal Regime of Martial Law” (2015) prohibits the holding of elections during martial law and the Electoral Code of Ukraine (2019) ordains suspension of all elections during such period.
Nothing similar is made with respect to the president.There we go, there is NOTHING in the constitution about it.
Russia is not israel, they don’t attack civilians
wow, yeah enough said, no need discussing anything further with the likes of you
America is living in a disinformation space. There is a reason Musk bought Twitter, and it’s not because he thought he could make it better for users.
See also: hyperreality
Also the reason why Saudis funded it. They want a piece of the post truth pie. But why did Elon even bother with the Saudi money? Is it as simple as wanting to keep the high score?
He paid $44 billion for twitter (of his and others’ money) but the presidency of the richest country on earth only cost $250 million? It doesn’t add up at all.
He doesn’t have money. He has assets. That means he need’s to take out a loan against his assets. And who would have done such a thing for a money pit that was twitter?
I suspect it was planned out. He “jokingly” says he wanted to buy twitter. Courts say it was a legitimate offer and he has to go through with it. He protested for a moment then says oh well, ya got me. Commence purges that likely had to do with political beliefs, then here we are, buying the president of the USA for 1/176th the price of twitter. I’m just rambling here but where’s the missing piece? Or is it just that cut and dry?
Same thought came to mind two days ago. In retrospect, that Twitter purchase appears so excellent as to make the attempted backtracking look contrived and intentional.
But there are other possible explanations. Maybe he jumped the gun before his planning partners had agreed to.
And I’m reminded there doesn’t need to be any conspiracy here because I can’t think of what would have been different if the purchase were announced as a one intended to influence politics.
Wasn’t he pushing the angle that Twitter falsely stated the user base because of the high numbers of bots and therefore falsely stated the business value? I think he was trying to push the sale value down. I could easily be wrong, I didnt follow it closely.
Rambling a bit
Ppl don’t get it. They yell ‘give all his money to us’ but then the stock market crashes when billions of ‘dollars’ are pulled out of the system. I think he was reported to have sold stocks pre-twitter sales but he didn’t have the cash up front. He probably takes no salary and just pulls from company profits into an estate fund like it’s his bank account so most of his wealth is in his companies. Twitter has turned into the red pill space we would expect of America and not the Saudis prolly because Saudis put in 1/44th of the money it took to buy Twitter. There are millions of other multi millionaires, investment groups, etc he could much more money from.
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The majority of VPN users uses it for Netflix. Having your ip hidden means fuck all if you still consume the same media. Also: as if “only 25%” isn’t still a significant amount of the population
Zelenskyy is completely right on here.
He isn’t, he is still polite to give Donnie a benefit of a doubt, like he is speaking like that because he’s got malinformed. No, Trump uses his position to exchange Ukraine and the security of Europe for whatever he was promised or he himself promised beforehand for his success in pres campaign previosly, so he just closes his debts. Zelensky couldn’t say that to Trump all other countries and his own nation are paper tokens he uses to play monopoly with his friends. Ukrainian defence depend too deeply on what Biden’s given them before so as a diplomat he doesn’t want to cross out the US even though he knows that with Trump they’d hardly get anything. And it’s not about the US specifically, it’s a standard that keeps every other donor comfortable to donate arms and money, setting the climate in which no random and immidiate decisions pass, unlike what Trump does.
Yah, Zelensky has blood on his hands. He’s responsible for a large majority of Ukrainian deaths, as Putin is responsible for Russian deaths. It’s Zelensky that has decided it’s ‘fight till death or NATO saves us’ while refusing to find other solutions. I feel nauseous when people call him a hero. He’s a power hungry ‘nice guy’ who is more interested in fame and wealth than saving Ukrainian lives.
One day old account with only negative point comments relating to Trump and Ukraine
With “Ops” in the name, no less.
lol I commented in two posts and joined today. Am I supposed to not comment until you think my account is worthy?
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Right… remind me who started this “3 day special military operation”? It was Zelenskyy right? Oh wait no it wasn’t. They only other solution was let russia take over all of Ukraine. Why are you defending putin? All those dead Ukrainians are his fault.
Pay no mind to the obvious troll/Russian boy/Republican (I mean who can tell the difference these days)
I’m an American woman. Love bigots getting it wrong
Russian bot
The new npc insult.
Says the llm.
Is American supposed to mean anything when the Republicans are indoctrinated into Russian disinformation and salivating over a Putin 2.0?
American might as well mean Russian shill, and is being a woman supposed to mean anything? What does you gender have to do with your political affiliations.
How much time do you spend online a day?
Since you want to attack me instead of investigate, I’ll tell you why I mentioned gender. Sexiest commenters assumed I was a man so I corrected them to break a bias that only men would say what I say.
You also claim to be mansplaining things and use bitch freely as a pejorative to describe other posters views.
And 63 comments, some of them quite long-winded. You joined less than a day ago.
My suspicion is that you are a bot, in spite of your claim that Lemmy is too young to have bots. The folks that have been here a while know that is certainly not the case.
So what is it, you are a chat GPT model that has been told to pretend it’s a conservative woman working for the department of defense or the department of energy?
You mentioned it because they were rightly calling out your obvious bias and misrepresentation. And that was tiniest smallest shred of anything you could push back on. No more no less. And to this point you have still not defended your possession in any way shape or form. Simply playing off imagined sexism and bigotry pretending to be the victim. Just like you’re pretending that Ukrainian isn’t.
Gonna mess our mind?
Then why are you posting on here and not in the kitchen?
Really? You had someone blaming Ukraine for Ukraine war and the best you could come up with was misoginy? You really got all the way down to their level there.
Thats the joke
lol you have my old user name from a different platform. I didn’t blame it on Ukraine. If my mother abuses me and I become an abuser, is it my fault? Technically no? Is it my responsibility, yes. He didn’t ‘start a war’ but for Ukrainians, he’s the one responsible for resolving the issue.
Wow, that was really good. So original. I’m sure your dad is really proud of you for that one.
No, he’s not. He’s an actor playing a role so he can continue to grow his net worth by the millions.
I think you are confusing Zelensky with Putin? The later’s enigmatic but substantial personal wealth is well reported.
your whole account is taking L’s. Go back to reddit!
Is it? I don’t see
I know, that’s the unfortunate part.
Theres even people here on lemmy living in that space
Are the old men stuck in a feedback loop?
Trump is a russian marionette
Not just Russia’s puppet. He’ll let literally anyone stick their hand up his ass if they pay him.
Very handy that he has his own $Trump coin. Not a word of protest from conservatives.
Conservatives are fundamentally against financial risks, and the crypto industry is financially risky. The crypto industry has been liberal/blue from the start and still is. Conservatives aren’t talking about it because the average crypto holder is not a republican. I can tell you’re the type to say things like ‘it’s the republicans fault’ that Biden approved $400 off armored teslas.
The Crypto Industry is full of Libertarian idiots who are not Liberal/Blue in any way shape of form. Its just another scam tool for assholes to sucker idiots out of money and it’s never ever going to amount to anything more than that.
Funny how all the Crypto bros fell in line with Maga when they were so liberal and blue and so many of the Billionaire backers of the repulican party are also into crypto. Also funny how we now have our first Crypto tzar under republican Trump.
Biden asked for companies to make a bid on EV armoured cars, Tesla was the only bidder and it was not concluded when Biden left office.
Most people are cowards. Many live in survival mode. Wealth makes lives so much better that most people have a sell out price. It’s better to expect that others will sell out to wealth than old and altruistic idea that humans ‘shouldn’t’ have a sell out price. It’s personal morals, kind of like only fans. Some people think it’s really bad, some think it’s great. Overall, we allow it to happen because that’s human tendency.
Idk what you’re smoking to think conservatives are against financial risk, given conservative governments reliably fuck up the economy.
They’re against financial risk - to themselves.
Yah no. You don’t have to be uneducated. Go search the ‘core principles of conservatism.’
Go read the news.
Point #5 right here: https://mikejohnson.house.gov/7-core-principles-of-conservatism/
You could have found this information yourself.
Conservatives don’t follow that one, and repeatedly vote for people who cannot manage an economy at all.
If I tell you one of my core principles is that all life is sacred, and then I go out hunting, start a couple wars and in general kill a ton of people and animals, me telling you about my core principles is just lying.
Conservatives reliably cannot manage an economy, in fact the US has voted someone in who can’t even run a fucking casino. Conservatives are not the side of good economics, no matter how often they lie saying they are.
Buddy, decide if you want to push your propaganda or if you want to believe in reality. But stop playing this role of denying facts and history to serve your agenda. You could open your eyes and see a self proclaimed conservative president reducing the federal debt because conservatives are fiscally reserved, or you can choose to stay misinformed but you can’t rationalize this ‘conservatives are everything bad in the world so they are both over and under spenders’ mentality.
that is not true one bit, alot of republicans, conservative buy into crypto alot they take alot more risks. someone youtubers bought into cryptos during the SBF crash that someone peddled to them on the channel, and they all love trump, when it crashed they all lost a ton of money 1million+each, none of them were so-called liberals. they take alot more risks than you think. also studies have shown that conservatives fall for scams much easier than democrats. i think you are just pulling things out of your behind.
You don’t think crypto was started in the most liberal city in America, San Francisco? You don’t think a majority of the crypto companies are owned by people from culturally liberal places from culturally liberal schools from elite families? I’m not trying to explain but, conservatives are into banking and insurance. Tech is history risky and a core part of conservatism is avoiding fiscal risk. I don’t know about the Trump coin. I quit Avalanche and went to the DOE in 2021 and avoided the space since.
I mean, if you’re gonna engage in disinformation then at least read the wikipedia page on whatever topic you are targetting so you can come up with something that’s more believable. Disinfo is most effective when it is based on some true information taken out of context.
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Lol crypto did not “start” in San Francisco. And if that’s so incredibly wrong, there is no point of even considering anything else you wrote.
Yah it didn’t ‘start’ but again, all the major starting crypto companies are from SF, NY, western Europe; all liberal ‘progressive’ western political Mecca’s. Not from Lebanon, Kansas City, or religiously dominated countries. You again with my old user name.
So who was buying the trump coin?
Idk you can tell me? Probably young investors who don’t remember a time before crypto. Young ppl have historically been more ‘left liberal.’ Historically, crypto grew in Americas most liberal cities, hence why crypto is historically associated with democrats. Hence why red states like Montana creating crypto friendly legislation seem so ‘progressive.’ No one uses the word progressive to describe republicans.
Most people in crypto are drawn to it the same way people are to gambling apps. Politics means shit and it’s just full of people chasing after get rich quick scheme and fixating the price and trying to convince people to keep buying so they can offload their bag. Who the hell plays up crypto like it’s some liberal stance when it’s been mainstream for years.
I do agree that politics don’t impact crypto in a huge amount but to call crypto republican is wildly false and ignores all of crypto history.
Okay, so you don’t understand that it was trump’s supporters.
The entirety of your comment history reads like a manifesto written by someone who has taken to many stims.
lol ‘don’t understand.’ Our society Rob, so many people of their own personal authority that everyone is so desperate to grass an opportunity to feel better or higher than someone else. Here you are thinking that I can’t bother to assume the people who are going to financially support a political leader would be the supporters. That level of intelligence would be a mental disability, putting me into protected person’s category and you making fun of it would be you making fun of the disabled. I’m clearly not that mentally disabled so it’s just you grasping at your opportunity to feel better than someone else because you have to spend so much of your life being a cuck to society or the system. We all have to spend our lives being cucks. That’s why Luigi did it. M
Sorry, but there is no data on that. I can assume but it’s not a fact so I’m not going to claim I know a fact that I don’t. Thanks for following me though
Lmao! What goes on in your head?
nothing goes in his head,
Can’t even punctuate a sentence.
Yep he’s trying to fool everyone by stopping all aid WITH EXCEPTION ESPECIALLY FOR UKRAINE.
Still sends them weapons.
He unilaterally withdrew from the missile treaties with Russia (immensely aggressive and dangerous) and put missiles in Romania.It really makes sense doesn’t it?
Your account must be this old --> XX days to roll the Rollercoaster
Look it’s back with another banger!
Did it take you a whole day to come up with this very original beauty?
Jeez are you trying to kill me with cringe and boredom?You are so wierd
Sure stalker
Why do you keep talking to me?
You can only get more ridiculed and humiliated.You are a little detached from reality
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Stop. this platform hasn’t been around long enough for bots. You’re just being a bully for no reason but to be mean. It’s a waste of your time and energy.
Almost as much of a waste of time as creating alt accounts solely to defend Russian geopolitics?
Honestly, what is the point of pretending to be a leftist while defending the Russian oligarchs? I get critical of the American oligarchs, but what is the point of cheerleading an even more hierarchical and violent form of capitalist imperialism?
Oh, sorry 18 hs account
Trump and Musk literally got regular phone mentoring on how to do what they’re doing (shape and install an official Oligarchy). You don’t need to create an information space when the participants are willingly taking direct lessons and coaching from Putin.
The republican traitor filth must be held to account.
Grow up. It’s not red vs blue. It’s billionaires vs peasants.
The irony of this comment.
What is the irony?
That you cheerlead worst of the wealthy. And then disingenuously say that like it wipes away everything else you’ve done. People can clearly see you’re disingenuous.
Do I? Can you show me where I ‘cheerleaded the wealthy?’
Genuinely, I’m waiting. I assume you are bigoted and you are assuming my opinions, or that you have misconstrued my words with your own bias into something I never said. Ppl bitch not my 2 day old account but then say I’ve been on here long enough to ‘cheerlead the wealthy.’ Can’t be both.
I often wonder how it goes behind closed doors. Is Zelenskyy all polite or is he more like you’re full of shit and you fucking know it?
Zelensky is a media and communication master.
Hard agree. Trump is a good salesman but his weakness is his refusal to play the media. Zelenskyy is a master at media.
